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[rodomo]

Cancelled my post, error, error

Edited by rodomo, 08 June 2009 - 11:22 PM.

[yel327]

I've seen that before too and wondered. I'll have a look at all the ID in my collection and see what they say. I've seen variations in utes, statesmans etc on the ADR plate description before and without looking any further simply put it down to assembly plant variations. However except for a few early LH's, LH-UC should all be Dandeong build so you'd think they'd be the same?

[MRLXSS]

Hmm, thats different... Maybe its 1/3rd "A"9X HAHA!

[76lxhatch]

Could it be referring to the ADR? (27A vs 27)

[Toranavista]

Nope not ADR 27 vs 27A as I have seen it right through to Jan 78. On sedans as well. Perhaps it signifies a change in any ADR rule. This would alert them to make sure the chassis was samped with the correct ADR prefix ie ALX. BLX. CLX. DLX. I have seen plenty of CLX Toranas with the C crossed out and a D restamped. Built before the new ADR but not yet presented for compliance.

[REDA9X]

A picture is needed here but most likely a mistake.

[GML-31]

incorrect stamps aren't that unusual, I have a mate with a HQ statesman where they were stamped upside down

[yel327]

Most early Adelaide Holdens (pre HX) are stamped upside down on the BODY plate, and also all pre Monaro Pagewood HK. My early HK GTS327 from Pagewood has half the VIN stamped upside down too.

I have the following:

UC Torana sedans that have no A: 5/78, 6/78, 3/79;
UC Torana coupe with no A: 2/79
LH SLR with no A: 8/74, 9/74
LX sedan with no A: 2/78;
LX SL coupe with the A: 12/77;
LX SS coupe with the A: 8/77.
My old 2/76 SL coupe also used to have the A.

It's not an ADR thing or all HJ-HZ would display it for BHZ, CHZ etc also. Looking at dozens of HQ-HZ Sandman, Monaro, tonner, Premier, Statesman etc examples in front of me there is very few A examples, although I found the following:

9/77 HZ GTS sedan, Pagewood build, "Holden HZ Sedan A"
6/77 HX BO6 van, Pagewood build, "Holden HX Panel Van A"

[Toranavista]

Yes agree it is no mistake at least

[slx 050]

My 7/76 LX SS has the same ADR tag.... Coupe A

Yes agree it is no mistake at least

[TerrA LX]

As Big T said, you have the coupe and Brissy had the coupe ey, er A.

Im thinken it is an ADR27A thing, can confirm pre 6/76 are coupe, no A.

[LX2DR]

Just checked my 12/77 hatch, it has the same, Coupe A, Dandenong built.

[76lxhatch]

8/76 (ADR27A) with no extra 'A'

[GML-31]

7/76 SS with Coupe A

is an auto

[yel327]

Im thinken it is an ADR27A thing, can confirm pre 6/76 are coupe, no A.

It is possible since LX had ADR27A introduced mid model and would also explain why it's not there on the UC sedans and coupes I have. BUT if that were the case it'd also be on LX ADR27A sedans which it isn't on the examples I have, and it doesn't explain why it's on the HX and HZ I have. And not on others from the same plant. I'm almost certain my old 2/76 SL hatch had it too. My guess is it means something else. I'll ask Dr Terry and Ben Stewart and see if they know.

[76lxhatch]

is an auto

Maybe it is that simple?

[yel327]

I sent emails off to Ben AND Dr T and suggested the same thing, ie A = AUTO.

Maybe it's because on ADR27A Holdens there is a different engine spec between Auto and Manual, eg XQL vs HL. Also manual 308 is a different engine to auto (lack of EGR valve for example on manual).

All the 4 x examples I have with A are autos:

LX SS L31 M40;
LX SL L32 M40;
HX Van L31 M41;
HZ GTS L31 M41.

From memory the LX and UC Torana sedans are all manuals.

I wonder...?

[xu2308]

My Ex G/F
Had a UC Torana,that had UR on the A.D.R Plate,where UC was ment to be,i rang Holden Customer Service up,they checked there records on it,and they said it was a mistake from factory,simple as that,so i say the A on yours is same thing.
But my Ex G/F still thinks she had a UR Torana,the Only One LOL,or was there a UR Torana Coming

[fuzzypumper]

Maybe it's because on ADR27A Holdens there is a different engine spec between Auto and Manual, eg XQL vs HL. Also manual 308 is a different engine to auto (lack of EGR valve for example on manual).

Seriously? Are you saying all ADR27A 308 manuals had no EGR valve? I'm perplexed now. What about 253 manuals?

BTW my hatch is 12-77 with just "COUPE" on plate(no A) and was a factory manual.

[yel327]

My Ex G/F
Had a UC Torana,that had UR on the A.D.R Plate,where UC was ment to be,i rang Holden Customer Service up,they checked there records on it,and they said it was a mistake from factory,simple as that,so i say the A on yours is same thing.
But my Ex G/F still thinks she had a UR Torana,the Only One LOL,or was there a UR Torana Coming

Definitely won't be an error in my opinion. Too many of them are like it. Errors are normally confined to either wrong letters/numbers where another one should be (like the UR) or repeats in chassis or engine numbers leading to R, R1, R2 etc on the end. I've never seen any instance of an error with a random letter or number appearing on Holden ID plates, particularly this many, in the 25 odd years i've been studying Holden ID plates.
I saw another repeated HZ chassis number the other day too (on both chassis and ADR plate), ie AHZxxxxAR. I'm yet to see an R1 or R2 but they supposedly exist.

[xu2308]

Definitely won't be an error in my opinion. Too many of them are like it. Errors are normally confined to either wrong letters/numbers where another one should be (like the UR) or repeats in chassis or engine numbers leading to R, R1, R2 etc on the end. I've never seen any instance of an error with a random letter or number appearing on Holden ID plates, particularly this many, in the 25 odd years i've been studying Holden ID plates.
I saw another repeated HZ chassis number the other day too (on both chassis and ADR plate), ie AHZxxxxAR. I'm yet to see an R1 or R2 but they supposedly exist.

I Rang holden up,they said it was a error from factory,or you saying it was a UR Torana LOL
I say it was a Monday Car the UR after the GMH Employee had a big weekend and dident run the stamp machine very well i reckon.
Any way GMH Customer service said is was a Error and No UR Rana