you have confirmed my own research my two replicas are a9x 2 and a9x 3Ok, this comes up a bit, so lets have a quick look at the HDT shells, going back to the L34's.
HDT started with 2 L34's, one for Brock, one for Bond, I'll call them L34 1 (Brock) and L34 2 (Bond).
L34 1 was raced by Brock till he left at the end of 75 then used as a spare
L34 2 was raced by bond and damaged very badly at Amaroo in 76.
Harry bought a new shell cut it in half and welded the rear of it to L34 2.The front half of the new shell went to another driver, going off memory it was Skelton. The damaged parts of those two cars were roughly welded together and the plan was to send them to Alan Grice who caused the accident at Amaroo, but they ended up at the tip.
What happened to L34 1 in 77 I won't comment on for good reasons, but when Harvey came and Bond left, harvey initially raced L34 2. At the Symmons Plains round Harvey complained the car would only turn in one direction. This is where Harvey and Firth disagree (and part of the reason you don't believe everything someone from the team tells you after 30 odd years), again, i won't comment for good reason on why, but a new shell was purchased, this became L34 3, however log books may say something else.
At the end of 77 when the A9X was released, L34 2 and L34 3 were upgraded to A9X specs. These then became A9X 1 (L34 2) and A9X 2 (L34 3).
Meanwhile Harry had been using his own hatchback to develop the A9X, rego HF001.
In early Harry had an SS hatchback specially delivered to him that was converted to become an A9X hatchback race car, this was the car Harvey drove at the end of 77 and during some of 78, Brock drove this car during 78 also, I'll call this car A9X 3.
In 78 John Sheppard took over, an article was done on the workshop for a magazine, photos showed A9X 3 in the foreground in pieces, A9X 1 parked next to it, (you can just see the rear spoiler), A9X 2 on the hoist, and 2 plain white hatches.
The first plain white hatch is the new car being prepared for Brock, this would be the car he was supposed to start the 78 season with, I will call it A9X 4. The second hatch at the rear of the workshop is the car Brock would drive in 79, I'll call it A9X 5.
A9X 3 was being stripped down, however the team grumbled so Sheppo told them to put it back together.
A9X 4 was prepared as Brocks car after he had started the season with A9X 2.
A9X 4 was later destroyed at the Amaroo round. Harvey had been complaining about his car A9X 3, so he took A9X 4 out in practice, his foot got jammed and he slammed into the wall at over 100km/h destroying the car. Harvey sat out that round and Brock drove A9X 3. At the next few rounds Harvey drove A9X 2 while Brock continued to use A9X 3. If you look at the Wanaroo round pictures you will see Harvey is driving a sedan, this is the reason why. The Wannaroo round was the famous HDT 123. Wayne Negus had his own HDT hatch he prepared himself, however the car came through HDT so I will call it HDT 6.
Another shell was used to repair A9X 4 and so became A9X 7, the shell from A9X 4 went to the wreckers, along with A9X 1 and 2.
In 79 Harvey was given A9X 7, A9X 3 became the test vehicle and A9X 5 was prepared as a race car for Brock.
A9X 5 had been at the back of the workshop and many of it's parts had been removed over the preivious year or so, it was returned to the factory and Mike Prowse pushed the car around on a trolley getting whatever bit's he could get his hands on at the time to complete the car. The Marlboro paintwork was then completed IN THE FACTORY without signage and the car returned to HDT. Brock loved the UC SLE trim because it matched the trim in his UC he had been given to drive on the road.
Brock used A9X 5 through the entire 79 season, however for some reason he told everyone, (and I think it was on one of the videos) that this car was brand new prior to Bathurst or Sandown. the fact was the cars were stripped down prior to Sandown and rebuilt.
A9X 5 came first at Sandown, with A9X 7 coming second.
At Bathurst, A9X 5 went on to have that famous win, while A9X 7 crashed on Griffend bend, flipping the fence.
Holden hired Jim Shepherd to rebuilt A9X 7 for a museum back in the Richards Brock signage from the 78 win, and supplied all the parts to finish the job. Holden pulled out of the deal leaving Jim with the car. He asked Harvey to drive the car in a sports sedan race, however after a datson rubbed a tyre down the side, harvey pulled into the pits and the car sat idle for a few years before it was sold.
A9X 5 went on to become a prized possession of Brock until 1993.
So whats around today?
L34 1 reappeared and is used in Group C today, interestingly it's never been converted to A9X and is owned by Mick and Anna.
L34 2/ A9X 1 lives in the Peter Champion Museum, incorectly painted as Brocks car (A9X 2), the fact was it never raced under John Sheppards management.
l34 3/ A9X 2 lives in Victoria and is raced in Group C owned by Tony and Chiomi.
A9X 3 is raced by Paul Stubber as the 77 Harvey car
A9X 4 is surrounded by controvesy, some people believe it is a myth, one person claims to own the car, the tag and the story behind it causes the main problems, but I won't get into that.
A9X 5 is in the Bowden ownership
A9X 6 is the Negus car owned by Paul Stubber
A9X 7 is the car owned by the Bowdens represented as the Brock Richards 78 bathurst winning car.
HF 001 ended up in Broken Hill and is now in Victoria and has been under restoration for a number of years. Harry has verified this car and all the paperwork exists to prove the car is HF001. The car in QLD was a HF customer car and the tags don't match for HF001
Now, to add to this, there were other spares that HDT had possession of. One, I will call HDT 8 was apparently being prepared to race when Garry Rogers destroyed his car at Amaroo in 79. A shell was sourced from HDT and a restoration a few years ago apparently revealed the HDT paintwork underneath. Interestingly this car doesn't have the A9X trim either.
At least one more shell existed in the HDT storage, but this shell was never raced or prepared at all and was cut up.
Hopefully that will answer a few questions.
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yesOff-topic but I had the chance to buy a GMP&A hatch back in 1997 for $15k but bought a HSV instead - D'OH
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so guys who owns this one after the bowdens?
I got offered this car - about a week after I bought the HRT427 so I had NO money to spend on cars. How much would I have loved to own the only A9X road & race hatches ever made.
I would give anything to get hold of this car. I saw it at the A9X Nationals about 5 or 6 years ago and it is beautiful. It looks like a brand new car and the colour is magic.
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you coming up to morgan park in july ? need some track buddies !!!
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Good on you for putting the history's of the HDT L34 & A9X's up Red and for clearing the air about Brock getting a new car in late 79 (Always shat me when experts asked me where it went...) but I don't agree with some minor points. I'll call you?
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Just for those who know me but don't know the story, my wife was sick with breast cancer and the chemotherapy means she can't have children so we found a women in the USA to carry a baby for us. Finally, after 13 years of trying, we are having a child.
And GMP&A, I remember being up at the Torana A9X Nationals at Paul Morris' driver training complex on the Gold Coast and I spent an hour just perving at the absinth yellow hatch - it was just plain beautiful.
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Good on yeah! Mick Hope wife is OK!
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Hi White, I won't be going to Morgan Park as I will be in the USA picking up my new baby! And no, my new baby isn't a car, it's a baby, as in child!
Just for those who know me but don't know the story, my wife was sick with breast cancer and the chemotherapy means she can't have children so we found a women in the USA to carry a baby for us. Finally, after 13 years of trying, we are having a child.
And GMP&A, I remember being up at the Torana A9X Nationals at Paul Morris' driver training complex on the Gold Coast and I spent an hour just perving at the absinth yellow hatch - it was just plain beautiful.
very good to see mick. my wifes 24 weeks with out 3rd after 9 years of trying.
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There a Ex HDT A9X Hatch in there,its owned by Geoff Paton of Super-Plus,Dandenong Victoria.
Geoff bought this A9X as a Shell,the Shell was Built for Circuit Racing but never used (Ex HDT Grice Etc.)
Colour is White,it has 10" and 8" HDT wide wheels on it,same as Brocky had on the 1979 HDT A9X.
The Vic Rego Number is AIG140, is this Hatch still around, Super-Plus has a Hot 350 Chevy V8 in it,with a Turbo 400 Tranny,Diff Ratio is 3.9,Disc Brake rear end,it runs 12.78 at 116 MPH over the Qrt Mile
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From what I'm reading, it's a spare shell, not EX HDT or ex Grice necesserily. The wheels are Bathurst Globes, they actually look like the 10" front and rear with different offsets exactly as HDT ran, but they never used them in 79. Yes, the Brock car has them on it now, but it never used them in 79, HDT used Jongbloeds in 79.
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I'd love to know where this one is now.
From what I'm reading, it's a spare shell, not EX HDT or ex Grice necesserily. The wheels are Bathurst Globes, they actually look like the 10" front and rear with different offsets exactly as HDT ran, but they never used them in 79. Yes, the Brock car has them on it now, but it never used them in 79, HDT used Jongbloeds in 79.
Talking about hatches was harrys black 76 prototype ever used in any races [the one in north vic town] there have been stories
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I remember the ex Cullen car, the young guy died before the car was finished. Cullen only raced 2 A9X hatches and one A9X sedan briefly. One hatch was the one mentioned, the other is owned by a forum member, neither cars are in Cullen colours. The sedan is being restored as we speak.
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Harry says the prototype was never raced, and that would make sense. Harry stopped running HDT at the end of 77 and at that stage only the Harvey hatch was racing with the converted L34's. Harry would have taken the car when he left HDT or sold it off, either way I'm sure there would be a dispute over who actually owned the car, Holden or Harry.
I remember the ex Cullen car, the young guy died before the car was finished. Cullen only raced 2 A9X hatches and one A9X sedan briefly. One hatch was the one mentioned, the other is owned by a forum member, neither cars are in Cullen colours. The sedan is being restored as we speak.
Red, Gary did finish the car and took it to one of the first Street Machine Nats at Mildura. Tragically, he did later die from a brain hemorrage. As far as l know his brother still has the car.
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