one of them being A.M.C editor: this may only refere to LJ XU1s
Can any one CONFIRM this
black xu1 fuel cap
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 07:51 PM
I have been told that xu1 fuel caps were black ? by more than one person
one of them being A.M.C editor: this may only refere to LJ XU1s
Can any one CONFIRM this
one of them being A.M.C editor: this may only refere to LJ XU1s
Can any one CONFIRM this
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:04 PM
standard - yes black with no logo.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:17 PM
I was told they differed, depending on state of manufacture: Brisbane-black, elsewhere ????
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:35 PM
I know a friend has a 71 Bathurst Lc and his is black
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:37 PM
At the recent Rare Spares night in Melb, I casually walked up to a table with Torana repo's on it and asked "what is this cap that is all black off?" I was immediatley grabbed in a headlock by Knoath and repeatedly smacked in the head by "Les" from rarespares till I understood that these are gen. LJ XU1.
I am still recovering.
I am still recovering.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:41 PM
Thanks guys
I THINK it will ruffle a few fethers
I THINK it will ruffle a few fethers
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:51 PM
Here's the tip from Les's gob. They have a series of scrutineering "screens" that are apparently "gurus" on Toranas. If a new product doesn't pass the "screens" it goes back to the manufacturer and "trimmed" till it passes. Can't ask more than that.
Oh yeah, forgot the bit about the head-butt.
Oh yeah, forgot the bit about the head-butt.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 10:08 PM
thats good cause if its worth doing, its worth doing right.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 10:28 PM
They where definately black with no sticker. Couple of pics attached,
https://cache.gmh-to...Picture1041.jpg
https://cache.gmh-to...Picture1045.jpg
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https://cache.gmh-to...Picture1041.jpg
https://cache.gmh-to...Picture1045.jpg
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 12:52 AM
Hi all
The spare parts catalogue is a bit vague it says:
CAP ASSY Exc. XU1 Eng 2805021
CAP ASSY XU1 Eng 2816161
INSERT ALL 2813992
If XU1 caps were plain black, you would think it would say "INSERT ALL Exc. XU1 Eng"
To paraphrase Viv Antoniou's book - "XU1s had the chrome cap with the lion insert up to mid '72 then sported an all black cap GM Part No 2816161".
But if that is true - why is P/N 2816161 (apparently all black) in the Feb '72 parts catalogue?
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The spare parts catalogue is a bit vague it says:
CAP ASSY Exc. XU1 Eng 2805021
CAP ASSY XU1 Eng 2816161
INSERT ALL 2813992
If XU1 caps were plain black, you would think it would say "INSERT ALL Exc. XU1 Eng"
To paraphrase Viv Antoniou's book - "XU1s had the chrome cap with the lion insert up to mid '72 then sported an all black cap GM Part No 2816161".
But if that is true - why is P/N 2816161 (apparently all black) in the Feb '72 parts catalogue?
Bazza
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 08:50 AM
Hi Guys.
To my knowledge ALL XU1s have the all black cap with no logo.
Have a look at the early pic of the Plum Dinger LC XU-1 on the Lang Lang speed-loop, it has an all black cap.
Problem is, many cars have had their cap changed to the locking type, or had a logo sticker or chrome cap fitted.
Dr Terry.
To my knowledge ALL XU1s have the all black cap with no logo.
Have a look at the early pic of the Plum Dinger LC XU-1 on the Lang Lang speed-loop, it has an all black cap.
Problem is, many cars have had their cap changed to the locking type, or had a logo sticker or chrome cap fitted.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 07:27 PM
Ref LC Parts Cat M37090 Issued Oct 71
Cap Assy..........................Exc 186X Eng.......2805021
Cap Assy......................... 186X Eng.............2816161
Cap Assy Locking ..............All......................2811517
Insert...............................1160 Eng.............2813992 Holden Lion
Insert...............................70 Eng.................2813994 70 over vertical cehckered band
Insert...............................1600 Eng.............2822133 1600
Insert...............................2250 Eng.............2813993 2250
Insert...............................2600 exc S Eng....2813995 2600
Insert...............................2850 exc S Eng....2813992 Holden Lion
Insert...............................2600S 2850S Eng.2813992 Holden Lion
There is no insert listed for XU1
The funny thing is that 4 cyl and the GTR's used the Lion insert.
After 30 years of restoring cars I have learnt one thing. Never trust as correct anything on a restored car or later published histories.
Only original cars and litrature are the best source of info.
Eg "70 Years of Chrysler" refers to a running board light in the valence of a 27 chrysler. In truth it is the grease nipple on the front shackle of the rear spring.
Anyhow for mine, and from what I know of history and the details above; XU1's were assembled with black caps without insert.
Cap Assy..........................Exc 186X Eng.......2805021
Cap Assy......................... 186X Eng.............2816161
Cap Assy Locking ..............All......................2811517
Insert...............................1160 Eng.............2813992 Holden Lion
Insert...............................70 Eng.................2813994 70 over vertical cehckered band
Insert...............................1600 Eng.............2822133 1600
Insert...............................2250 Eng.............2813993 2250
Insert...............................2600 exc S Eng....2813995 2600
Insert...............................2850 exc S Eng....2813992 Holden Lion
Insert...............................2600S 2850S Eng.2813992 Holden Lion
There is no insert listed for XU1
The funny thing is that 4 cyl and the GTR's used the Lion insert.
After 30 years of restoring cars I have learnt one thing. Never trust as correct anything on a restored car or later published histories.
Only original cars and litrature are the best source of info.
Eg "70 Years of Chrysler" refers to a running board light in the valence of a 27 chrysler. In truth it is the grease nipple on the front shackle of the rear spring.
Anyhow for mine, and from what I know of history and the details above; XU1's were assembled with black caps without insert.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 09:17 PM
Hi all
Well that's good enough for me - I am going for an all black cap. I presume the original ones were not chromed before being painted. I guess I will have to paint a chromed one.
Bazza
Well that's good enough for me - I am going for an all black cap. I presume the original ones were not chromed before being painted. I guess I will have to paint a chromed one.
Bazza
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 09:45 PM
From the ones I have seen, they were not chromed first and painted. Painted diecast only.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 09:52 PM
Thanks heaps finer70
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 01:34 AM
ha ha ,,, all the boys and girls will go and paint them black now .
funny thing , i just checked my pics from the show and shine at torana the great
and most xu1 fuel caps had the lion ...
i,m yet to be convinced , i still say its what ever gmh had in there parts bin at the time .... some lion .... some black ..
funny thing , i just checked my pics from the show and shine at torana the great
and most xu1 fuel caps had the lion ...
i,m yet to be convinced , i still say its what ever gmh had in there parts bin at the time .... some lion .... some black ..
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 07:02 AM
The truth is in old pictures and litrature of the day. Not what owners then and espacially now put on their cars. Restored cars are and must always have a question mark over them. I let that comment also apply to me. Although I am particular about originality and happen to be the chief Concourse Judge of the Vintage Drivers Club to boot.
True, dealers put wrong parts on some cars. I saw a VT commodor exec in a show room at Wangaratta with the wrong hub caps. The reason when asked was they had been mixed up with other models.
Bottom line there are always doubtors and that makes for a healthy forum.
However, there is a big difference between Opinion and Fact.
True, dealers put wrong parts on some cars. I saw a VT commodor exec in a show room at Wangaratta with the wrong hub caps. The reason when asked was they had been mixed up with other models.
Bottom line there are always doubtors and that makes for a healthy forum.
However, there is a big difference between Opinion and Fact.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 05:41 PM
And the fact is thay were black!
So that must mean that there a rare item to come across?
..A.2 Photos shows one that looks like its black over chrome? looks a litte shiney
the second photo shows what looks to be black over the plain casting
i wounder what rare spares look like ?
So that must mean that there a rare item to come across?
..A.2 Photos shows one that looks like its black over chrome? looks a litte shiney
the second photo shows what looks to be black over the plain casting
i wounder what rare spares look like ?
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 07:01 PM
Dave, Sorry about the first photo, i was using full flash, i took it off for the second photo. They where not chrome but cast then painted. I was lucky to find mine on an old four door about two years ago.
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Rare maybe. I picked one up at Bendigo last Nov in a box of junk. I am a little shy to say I paid, um er er should I say ....... well the loose change in my pocket covered the cost. And I still have it. All I have to do is get everything that goes in front of it and it will be worth $30 to $40K's
It is just die cast with a lot of black missing. No sign of there ever being chrome. I sold one to a forum member at the Wagga swap.
It is just die cast with a lot of black missing. No sign of there ever being chrome. I sold one to a forum member at the Wagga swap.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 08:00 PM
well , i,m just sticking to my lockable caps , at least this way they dont get knocked off
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 08:22 PM
Just an observation, but the LJ GTR XU1 featured in the road test (Sports Car World, May 1972 p.20) has a chrome and black fuel cap with the Holden Lion.
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Thats what my old 72 XU-1 had and it was a complete unrestored car.Just an observation, but the LJ GTR XU1 featured in the road test (Sports Car World, May 1972 p.20) has a chrome and black fuel cap with the Holden Lion.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:35 PM
thats the go hurr"thay tend two get snaped of though in frastrion" isnt funny how many you see on ebay standed chrome with thewell , i,m just sticking to my lockable caps , at least this way they dont get knocked off
holden lion , carpark collectors" arsholes i say" so many stolen so essy
for them i met this bloke with 8 caps he has never owner a torana in his life
just a plain thef says he liked them so he thought he would carpark collect them prick"
just one amoung hundreds that done the same thoughout the 80s/90s when
there were alot more on the road missing fuel caps
Edited by dave720gtr, 11 April 2006 - 09:40 PM.
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Posted 08 May 2006 - 12:13 PM
here's 2 pics, same car (PWH161) different cap, its
the car from SCW Road Tests No.9 (circa '72)
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the car from SCW Road Tests No.9 (circa '72)
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