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Berro's Rusty UC to A9X HATCH

Started by _berro59_ , Jun 24 2011 11:01 PM

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#26 _A9XOSS_

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:34 PM

leaps and bounds Berro, very good job ya doing there m8.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:41 PM

Hi Torry Freak, No it isn't lead filler. The rust converter makes the welds appear grey. The K frame matches the rest of the running gear, some of the engine components and the intended paint colour.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:55 PM

leaps and bounds Berro, very good job ya doing there m8.


Thanks m8 its been a hard slog. I have insisted on trying to do everything myself. I have been doing night courses to learn automotive restoration, panel fabrication, welding, spray painting etc... Your hatch looks nice how long you been working on that?

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 10:41 PM

Sand blasting will warp the large plat panels


Which frOcking buck toothed six fingered frOckwit told you that???

BAH im getting sick of hearing that shit. I sandblast 6 days a week have yet to warp anything.

Apart from that, looking good.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 05:37 PM


Sand blasting will warp the large plat panels


Which frOcking buck toothed six fingered frOckwit told you that???

BAH im getting sick of hearing that shit. I sandblast 6 days a week have yet to warp anything.

Apart from that, looking good.

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Bomber do you blast small vehicles as well? I thought you just did Mine equipment. :dontknow:

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 05:47 PM

Do a lot of cashies. Done a lot of doors, few bonnets couple of boots. Have yet to do a full car.

Also do Truck cab parts, doors etc, all still made out of the same steel as a car.

As far as the actual equipment part goes a lot of guards/shields are made out of 1.2mm Zink and i blast all of that as well....Some of those panels can be quiet large like full trailer canopies, engine guards over an engine larger than your car, etc etc.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 05:56 PM

Bomber Watson, I thought "sand blasting" was outlawed now?

As for warping panels, I had a nose cone, front guards and bonnet written off by "sand blasting" done by a "frOcking buck toothed six fingered frOckwit". The bonnet skin was stretched upwards where ever the ribs below were not. The guards had original flare bolt holes that ended up egg shaped and the surface of the nose cone was like the moon! .....mind you this was 20yrs ago.

So where "sand blasting" is concerned it can be an issue with the wrong operator.

However, whilst todays garnet/walnut shell/etc processes are apparently much safer. It would be an interesting exercise to see if any of the current processes work harden the metal if abused as "frOcking buck toothed six fingered frOckwit" operators may still exist!

For me, never again as once bitten twice shy.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 08:09 PM

Yes sorry, although i try not to use use the term "sand blasting" but usually say "Media blasting", Media blasting actually refers to all types of blasting, Garnet, Plastic, Soda, Dry ice, etc.

The OP had used the term "sand blasting" so i continued it to TRY to reduce confusion, apparently i failed.

As you expected i use Garnet.

Now yes your correct, if someone who is not competent on a media blaster using garnet is doing thin panels, they will frOck them quickly.

Just in the same way 99% of welders and boilermakers out there now days will frOck anything under 3mm if they try welding it.

Obviously you didnt do to much research before selecting the person to do your job, not trying to be mean but thats the honest to god truth.k

IF DONE CORRECTLY Media blasting using garnet will not do anything bad for panels. I've blasted two LJ and one LH bonnets for myself with no ill effects.

I think the reason soda blasting is such the rage now days is the fact that ANY frOckWIT can get on the end of the gun and not cause a lot of damage.

That good point aside, there are so many bad points compared to garnet/plastic its not worth really talking about.

And yeah look, i didnt intend to steal old mates thread.

I might start a thread outlining my full experience, what i have done and my opinions in another section one day for open forum comment on the matter.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 09:20 PM

Hey Bomber,
Sand blasting can be very effective if done with care. I had the car sand blasted!
I knew the car had some epic quantities of bog and the blasters were not what you would call car experts. They specialised in heavy machinery and were cheap! I instructed them to do the surrounds and avoid the flat panels.

This is where the build gets interesting. It amazing what lies beneath....................

When I decided to start this build l decided three things:

  • Do everything my self
  • No bog
  • No rust
When the car got back i was in for a shock!
Damage:
  • Both c pillars gone (all 3 layers)
  • Rear beaver rusted through and past smash (drilled and dent pulled)
  • rear hatch channel gone
  • Massive dent in rear quarter filled with 20mm+ of bog
  • Both rear lower quarters
  • Both sills
  • Both front floors (3-5mm rust holes)
  • Most of the rear of the roof (all 3 layers)
  • Both doors
Time to get welding and fabricating.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 09:57 PM

Yes sorry, although i try not to use use the term "sand blasting" but usually say "Media blasting", Media blasting actually refers to all types of blasting, Garnet, Plastic, Soda, Dry ice, etc.

The OP had used the term "sand blasting" so i continued it to TRY to reduce confusion, apparently i failed.

As you expected i use Garnet.

Now yes your correct, if someone who is not competent on a media blaster using garnet is doing thin panels, they will frOck them quickly.

Just in the same way 99% of welders and boilermakers out there now days will frOck anything under 3mm if they try welding it.

Obviously you didnt do to much research before selecting the person to do your job, not trying to be mean but thats the honest to god truth.k

IF DONE CORRECTLY Media blasting using garnet will not do anything bad for panels. I've blasted two LJ and one LH bonnets for myself with no ill effects.

I think the reason soda blasting is such the rage now days is the fact that ANY frOckWIT can get on the end of the gun and not cause a lot of damage.

That good point aside, there are so many bad points compared to garnet/plastic its not worth really talking about.

And yeah look, i didnt intend to steal old mates thread.

I might start a thread outlining my full experience, what i have done and my opinions in another section one day for open forum comment on the matter.

Cheers.


Thanks Bomber for taking my reply positively, I was not looking for conflict. In my case, it was the repair shop who organised it and it is a long sad story. :(

Gee Berro, that is heart breaking! I wish you well and a bucket full of patience.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 10:37 PM

That actually looks good as you got it Berro. Yes a lot of bog and rust but the blasting looks like it came out nice. At the end of the day i think its nicer to work with a nice clean bit of swiss cheese than trying to play around with a rusty #@$^%& flakey bit of metal.

BIt would be an interesting exercise to see if any of the current processes work harden the metal if abused


Sorry to continue the thread steel but i only just re noticed this comment.

Honestly, not sure...I doubt Garnet would work harden the steel as such, its to abrasive, it DOES remove the metal if you get carried away. Playing around with thicker/industrial type/very rusty crap i've held the nozzle on one rusty spot and watched the clean metal around the edges move noticeably.

Now the milder processes like walnut shell or plastic im not so sure, perhaps they would work harden the surface if held in the one spot??

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 12:12 AM

I agree having a clean surface makes welding fixing the "Swiss cheese" so much easier. The only disadvantage to media blasting is two years on and sand still comes out of the car even after a very thorough vacuum and blower.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:12 AM

I was very nervous about getting my car blasted, but took the view that I want a good shell and nothing hidden, to that end I took it to a blaster with strict instructions everywhere and everything but not the roof rear quarters or outer panels of the doors. I actually went so far as to talk to the actual guy who was going to do the blasting, and yes he had buck teeth and six fingers. That said he did exactly what I wanted and the car had very little rust. using and air compressor and vacuum cleaner I had no problems with sand (media) coming out of nooks and crannies

Hey Berro while that must be disappointing it is no where near as bad as some and with a bit of extra effort repairable, all the best and good luck with the project

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 10:31 AM

Thanks Cruiza, I did the same and spoke to the guy doing the blasting too. He did a great job. Yes some of the cars on GMH are worse. Wait till i show you the roof and beneath the c pillars.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 10:35 AM

Check this out!

I know the last repairs were done in 1999 as that's the date on the newspaper stuffed in to the roof!

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:44 AM

I know the last repairs were done in 1999 as that's the date on the newspaper stuffed in to the roof!


That's hilarious! The newspaper that is, not the rust! ouch!!

Many years ago i was helping a mate get an old Corolla through rego. We were bogging up everything, shoving whatever was in the boot into holes before filling over the top. This included sockets, empty ciggy packs, a dirty sock, etc. It was FUN!!! :D

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 06:48 PM

That's hilarious! The newspaper that is, not the rust! ouch!!

Many years ago i was helping a mate get an old Corolla through rego. We were bogging up everything, shoving whatever was in the boot into holes before filling over the top. This included sockets, empty ciggy packs, a dirty sock, etc. It was FUN!!! :D


Somewhere out there someone is restoring an old Corolla and cursing profusely at the objects used to bog up holes in his pride and joy... :P

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:04 PM


That's hilarious! The newspaper that is, not the rust! ouch!!

Many years ago i was helping a mate get an old Corolla through rego. We were bogging up everything, shoving whatever was in the boot into holes before filling over the top. This included sockets, empty ciggy packs, a dirty sock, etc. It was FUN!!! :D


Somewhere out there someone is restoring an old Corolla and cursing profusely at the objects used to bog up holes in his pride and joy... :P

Hi Notna,
I reckon its like a time capsule ready to be discovered in the future.
It would be frustrating if the sockets rolled around on every corner. Cool.........
I also found parts of real estate signs pop riveted into the c pillars.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:37 PM

Found I had to cut the lot out. Too much rust!

I then re fabricated every layer and welded them in. Making sure the each layer was primed and covered with weld through primer at the joins. The hardest part was the final layer as the roof had to be gently dollied in 4 directions to get the curve to match the existing roof.

It took a long time to weld as I didn't want to warp the roof. Came out spot on.

I bought a neat little dolly that allowed me to get under all the roof lips.

Note the bog on the drivers side of the roof. This was also removed and dollied into shape. Covered the whole lot in rust converter and the prep sol before priming.

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 09:47 PM

So neat!
Well done :)

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Posted 30 June 2011 - 10:46 PM

WOW that's a job well done! You so need to find that guy who shoved all that newspaper in there and rub that in his face!!! :D

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 01:21 PM

It was funny to see the classifieds in the roof. Ironically it was the car section too. They were practically giving away Toranas! I wish id bought the car then before 10 years of rust.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 07:45 PM

Mate outstanding work.

Ive just bought myself a hatch that requires a fair bit of work in a similar fashion.

Worst bit is it had a sunroof that i have to replace. Stinker.

Good luck with yours.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 08:41 PM

Great work,
Nothing like fixing up rusty old hatches to pass the time.

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 08:57 PM

Mate outstanding work.

Ive just bought myself a hatch that requires a fair bit of work in a similar fashion.

Worst bit is it had a sunroof that i have to replace. Stinker.

Good luck with yours.


Thanks mate, Congratulations on the purchase. A sunroof would be even harder to replace. I would look at a roof chop or maybe try and get access to an English wheel. They are great to use once you get the hang of them and will help get the roof curve just right. You may need that on such a large panel. A friend of mine had a hatch with a sun roof and it was a massive one too. He ended up getting a donor roof.
Good luck!
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