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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:13 PM

Tim just read the thread for first time and saw pics of car. Gee l am going to love watching this come together. For those interested my basic thoughts are as follows:
1. Smooth it out
2. Leave off most/all of the exterior trim however still wanting to leave some/all of the BMW badges on it l think.
3. Definitely give Tim freedom on bumpers to take off rubber and overrides and smooth down into one piece
4. Interior will be returned to mostly stock and will be in navy blue leather as per original BMW option. Will have a nice Nardi three spoke timber steering wheel if budget can stretch. Thinking of not putting the headrests back on the front seats but need to see how that looks with them removed.
5. Wheels will be DPE brand 18's all round. Engineer said l can't go any bigger but that if fine as l think that size looks good if stance is right. Maximum 9 inches wide also. Not sure on brakes at the moment. Link here for picture of wheels:
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6. Speakers are yours Tim and l certainly won't be putting the tow bar back on!!
7. Yep Tim we will be smoothing those front indicators and will also do clear lenses rather than orange. Open to Tim's thoughts on other options.
8. Sorry Jeff no guard flaring but want to fill the guards perfectly and it will sit fairly low. I want stance perfect. I will probably need your services though as l have been in dicussions with a company in California who have lots of stuff for them.
9. Will have a front spoiler attached similar to the old race cars. I have some options that l will post up to get people's opinions. However l think l will give Tim some freedom here.
10. Color will be silver. Not sure if original color though. I have never seen this car or any other E9 in real life!! so need to view one to decide if l stay with the original BMW silver.
11. We will also need to do a fair bit of chassis strengthening. Apparently these cars had issues with hot inline 6's causing problems so with the LS1 we need to make sure it doesn't give problems.

So that's a basic overview. I will post up some photos of others l have found on the web. However most of these cars are restored in true original form. Not sure the prurists are going to like what we will be doing though, especially with the motor!!. I am however going to ensure it stays true to its original character.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:25 PM

Very keen to see how this will unfold! your work is always top notch, dirtbag :)

http://www.vadwheels...37/Default.aspx

These wheels are awesome! very much like the bmw factory bbs rims! :D

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:52 PM

These are a couple that l am drawing ideas from. I liked the smoothed look of the brown one.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:45 AM

I REALLY like the styling of that brown one with the smooth treatment. I even like how they've taken the thumb lump out of the fuel door. However I think if it were mine I'd be tempted to remove the door altogether and mount it in the boot opening, and modify the boot seat channel to go around it so it's still vented to outside. I can explain better if you don't know what I mean.
Keeping the BMW badges would be OK, but personally I'd lose the ones on the C pillar, but that's just me. I also don't mind the idea of it having the front bar, even though I love that brown one and it has no front bar I just like the unity of front and rear both having bars. Smooth of course : )
It's going to be an amazing car. I'm really excited to be involved in the project. It's weird too as I don't usually like silver cars, but can see it working really well on this.
I hope to get at least one more day in this week for disassembly but I'll just have to see how I go. Still fighting off bronchitis but too keen to get into this project : )

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:54 AM

mmmm twin fillers for the fuel tank behind the bimmer badges????
the brown one looks clean but i like the front spoiler/bumber of the silver one better :P

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:58 AM

8. Sorry Jeff no guard flaring but want to fill the guards perfectly and it will sit fairly low. I want stance perfect. I will probably need your services though as l have been in dicussions with a company in California who have lots of stuff for them.



That is ok on the flaring, car is going to look awesome I am sure! :D and the stance will make the effect of it for sure.

And just holler if I can lend a hand on things !

I hope to get at least one more day in this week for disassembly but I'll just have to see how I go. Still fighting off bronchitis but too keen to get into this project : )



How do you decide which project to work on, with all the different things going at once? At least they are all unique in thier own way so always something different to stare at, at least..lol

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:03 AM

Lose those fugly indicators on the front gaurds and those huge number plate lights on that brown car and it would look much better as for the badges well i would lose them to that car has great lines though very nice indeed

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:45 AM

Yes Ice I agree about those number plate lights on the brown car, however luckily macka's car has the same ones as the silver car above, grafted into the top of the bumper, so quite invisible.

With Macka giving me the green light to rid the world of those horrid front indicators you have no idea how happy that makes me : ) I'll have to replace them with something of course, but definitely something much sublter. Either in the corners of the bumper itself or flush with the body under the bumper HK style. Time will tell.

I do think a front bar with the smooth treatment and no over riders would look good, but with a removable steel chin spoiler underneath just to take the "boat" look away from the front panel. Apart from some smoothing I wouldn't want to change the shape of this car at all. It's very elegant and to me quite unusual. Unless he wants to go 6/71 on the LS1 then maybe a 4 inch cowl scoop could be fun : ) hehehehe

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:29 AM

What's the go with the extra blinkers on the silver one above?

I agree it needs the front bar though, the front of the brown one looks like it's missing something...cause it is :P

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:32 AM

Yeah not sure about that silver one above slr. It seems to have extra front blinkers and rear side reflectors too. Not nice. Luckily Macka's car doesn't have them : )

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:52 AM

Why have one when you can have two?

They are a nice looking car though. I look forward to seeing what you do with it.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:22 AM

Unless he wants to go 6/71 on the LS1 then maybe a 4 inch cowl scoop could be fun : ) hehehehe



I used a Kenne Bell supercharger on an LS1 (in a '69 Camaro) and it fit under a factory cowl hood.....just sayin' :D

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:08 AM

^^^^^^^^^^ someone is a good influence : )

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:11 AM

You can see they are not too tall... http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2682662
Just be sure and leave room for the intercooler ;)

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:27 PM

Cool project, I'm pretty sure those BMW badges on the C piller are also a drain hole, I've got an old UK based buyers guide for the E9 coupe I remember that comment.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

Oh ok, so maybe a drain for the sunroof? I'll check it out as I get more into the deconstruction.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

I have a bit of time so this the bodywork section of the buyers guide, keep in mind this is from the UK so corrosion is a lot worse and the article is from 95 so the prices will be way off but anyway:

The unitary pillarless coupe shell was never well rust-proofed compared with the contemporary BMW salloon. It suffered from numerous and embarrassingly obvious built in rust traps. Little attempt was made to seal internal box section or treat them properly from the outside.
The rifle-butt, box section inner wings at the front of the car are the first things to check. The mud sits on a ledge and rots the whole thing out. In advanced cases you can see the rot eating out into the bulkhead by opening the passenger side glovebox.
As the front guards are welded rather than bolted on, putting this right is complicated and involves removing the windscreen and dashboard.
Under the bonnet look at the gutter between the outer and inner guards and check for problems directly related tot he rifle-but rust trap along the bottoms of the A-posts.
At 225 pounds each the front guards are expensive; but the inner repair panel are relatively cheap; Munich Legends' own repair section eliminate the ledge around the rifle-butt inner guard and it also offers a plastic wheel arch liner as added protection. The gutter between the inner and outer guards can be filled with expanding foam to hinder further corrosion.
Box section rot can spread to the strut housing and inner wing in the engine bay, but inner guards aren't too expensive and, if you've got to the box sections anyway, they don't require much time or effort.
Sills come in four sections; inner, membrane and an outer structural sill, and there's a matt-black painted cover sill held on my self tapping screws. The sills rot around the jacking points and on the join along the bottom between the outer and inner sections. Any rust here and you can bet there's some major work to be done inside with the bottom two inches of the membrane rotted to nothing. With the car braced up, this can usually be repaired without needing to replace the whole panel. With the outer sill, it's best to replace the entire section rather than patch it up.
Equally critical is the rear of the inner sill and rear subframe mounting box section: rot here is caused by water draining off the roof and through the C-pillar badge which has a piece of rubber tubing to drain the water away from the top of the inner arches and down onto the subframe box section. There is a good repair section to sort this out, although you'll have to remove the rear suspension to do it properly. Floor go, usually around the drain plug in the foowells, but, being simple secitons, they are relatively cheap to repair.
Rear arches are another favourite for rust - feel for a proper factory-recessed contour inside - and the thin, poorly-undersealed rear valance below the bumper catches road much and rots out.
In the boot the spare wheel well under the plywood boot floor rusts due to condensation and the movement of the spare wheel scratching off the paint. Check around the petrol taank mounting and the tank itself, which rots - and leaks - from the seam in the middle.
The rear suspension turrets in the boot also rust - mud accumulates in them from underneath - but not so badly as on the 2002.
In the doors, the drain holes at the bottom block up and cause the bottom of the skin, and sometimes the frame, to rot out. Full door skins or repair sections are available, as are complete door shells, if you really want perfection, at 440 pounds.
The chrome trim along the top of the doors on all versions is held on tightly by five clips. The paint wears off under the clips where the trim has been taken on and off over the years and the skin of the doors goes rusty underneath.
Good bonnets are difficult to find. They go around the vents inside, which is time consuming to repair. On boatlids check the rear edge, which is difficult to repair, for rot. Sometimes it works out cheaper to buy a new bootlid at 360 pounds.
Front panel tend to be OK, but check the thin, vulnerable lower valance and the panels behind the headlights: where the inner guard butts up to the front panel the metal is, again, very thin.

I won't write the stuff that is for the CSLs, I hope that was of some help. I understand you would have most likely found all the places anyway.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:17 PM

Sweet. Such an intricately put together car! I can see some serious hours going into building this car.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:28 PM

I actually like those front indicators, as there perculiar.

Perhaps put the indicator half of a UC tail light on each side there??

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:30 PM

Bomber, you're peculiar : )

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:19 PM

Thank you captain obvious.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

Yes please Tim explain more. I like the idea of no fuel lid visually from outside. As far as BMW badges go l am still really undecided so will have to have a good think and chat with Tim. Happy for others to give opinions. Also yes definitely front bar but smoothed.

Yeah not sure about that silver one above slr. It seems to have extra front blinkers and rear side reflectors too. Not nice. Luckily Macka's car doesn't have them : )


Extra ones are US based cars as it was a requirement. Aussie and Euro cars didn't have them.

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No Jeff!!!

Sweet. Such an intricately put together car! I can see some serious hours going into building this car.


NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Yes this will be the case. The rust will be terrible under that paint. I am prepared for it. My strategy is hope for the best but expect the worst. Got the best bloke on the job for it though.

Peter UC thanks for taking the time and providing info appreciated.



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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:35 PM

I hope you change your mind on silver macka imo it looks like polished primer but hey its your car and im sure what ever colour you choose it will be a stand out
if you do go silver look into hok paint they have some really good colours in there range
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:56 PM

Gene and l have never been a fan of silver either. However l have so many pictures of these cars that I have found on the web and l keep coming back to the silver as the best looking color for 'this' car. Although most of them are in standard form and sit up quite high so hard to know. I want to make sure the lines of the car really show. I saw a black one and it just didn't look right for example. Was also conscious of it being the original color but as things progress with smoothing etc that is becoming less of an issue in my mind. Color is a fair while off though so have plenty of time make a decision. The Torana was so much easier because l loved the original color so much l never thought about it being a different color. Here are a few.

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