Hi I'm new to the forum, I just bought a LJ Torana and would like as much info as possible on it but all I have is the ADR tag is there any way of finding out VIN number/paint and trim it originally had I would like to restore it back to its former glory any info would be very much appreciated the tag reads BLJ 18020B thanks Adam.
ADR tag help
#1 _bamlj_
Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:51 PM
#2
Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:20 PM
Pull the tag off and scan or take a photo of the back of it. Then someone here may be able to help a bit, but you'll have to get paint and trim off evidence left on the body.
Edited by yel327, 25 July 2014 - 10:21 PM.
#3 _bamlj_
Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:52 AM
Here is the tag.
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#4
Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:46 AM
Unfortunately the texta numbers are gone, you can just see remnants of it
#5
Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:47 AM
Hi Adam
Unfortunately, nothing can be ascertained from the ADR tag other than what you already know ie. the car is a LJ 2 door sedan built in Jan 1973.
From the ADR tag alone, the car could be one of a number of 4 cylinder 2 doors, an S model 6 cylinder, or a GTR with, or without, the XU-1 performance enhancements.
Had there been a 4 digit number in texta on the reverse of the tag, this would establish the Body Number but would not reveal the VIN. Had the car been produced after mid-May 1973 the VIN could be established. In either case, only the missing Body Identification Plate could definitively reveal the trim and paint details.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Bazza
#6 _1973bathxu1_
Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:05 PM
adam hi
i can see some texta on the back of your tag
even when its rubbed off, if u look hard enough u can just see some gidgets as it some how goes into the tag
u might be lucky enough to see
its a long shot but u never know
regards aldo
#7
Posted 27 July 2014 - 02:22 PM
Investigator Tools needed,
Need to find the Ink DNA, hey Aldo
if u look hard enough u can just see some digits, as it some how goes into the tag
u might be lucky enough to see
regards aldo
So, just did a bit of reading here:-
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Palimpsest
Ultra-violet Light could help read the last bits of Ink Adam.
Edited by GASPOWER, 27 July 2014 - 02:30 PM.
#8 _bamlj_
Posted 27 July 2014 - 03:48 PM
Edited by bamlj, 27 July 2014 - 03:51 PM.
#9
Posted 27 July 2014 - 03:58 PM
Hello Adam,
Maybe part of the Body Number for an LC,
but yet to find out for an LJ:-
http://www.gmh-toran...-28#entry685503
Thanks for all the help trying to decipher the number under the uv light it it looks like 1743 dose that mean anything
#10
Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:59 PM
Hi
1743 is most likely part of the original Body Number. By Jan '73, Brisbane Body Numbers had reached the 17000s range so there is obviously a digit missing. As I mentioned earlier, even with the fully Body Number, there is nothing to link it to a particular VIN or disclose anything about the original colour or trim.
Cheers
Bazza
#11 _1973bathxu1_
Posted 27 July 2014 - 07:15 PM
adam hi
could it be 4243 as ive had a quick look on the film for u
this one is a 1st 73 brissi car
bazza hi ive never known of a body no behind the tag, they were for vin no from all the cars ive played with
as gas power has said the ultra violet light might just get u over the line
good luck with your search, ill follow it
regards aldo
#12 _bamlj_
Posted 27 July 2014 - 07:53 PM
Cheers Adam
#13
Posted 27 July 2014 - 07:59 PM
If this is Important Adam,
which it is a 41 year old icon, I would go and see if there is a Professional scanner that can use a Computer to place the dots,
Could be well worth the effort, and find out the Numbers for sure.
Hi Aldo the number looks very close to 4243 is there any other information that can be obtained from thisor is it just a gmh number
Cheers Adam
#14 _1973bathxu1_
Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:26 PM
adam hi
the numbers 4243 will be for h264243 vin no
model 82311
dealer 613
sold 3/73
build date 24/1/73
as bazza has said it wont get u far if u are seeking trim and paint code
but if these no are for your car
then 2 out of 3 aint bad
again good luck seeking info on your torana
regards aldo
#15 _LONA-CK_
Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:15 AM
sorry to burst the bubble here fellers but the only time a Brisebane built LJ torana had the VIN number on the back of its ADR tag was from may-73 like Bazza as being trying to say,,, that was the same time when the vin was matched to the body tag.
other then that the texta will only give you a body number not the vin
cheers gong
#16
Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:34 AM
the Body Number will give an approximate date hey.
like early to late position?
#17
Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:05 AM
well said john,on bursting the bubble
#18
Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:26 PM
There is no bubble to burst as such. If you can somehow get the digits off the back we can probably nail the car, especially if you know some history of it eg where it was for most of its life. Car is almost certainly an 82311 as it is an auto, so the BETSBAC code you are looking for is most likely 43703A0, so look for BETSBAC starting with 437. Or possibly 447, 217 or 237.
Chassis number interpolation puts us close to about 50 cars either side of H26359x on page 199 of the service/warranty report. There are a fair few 437 and 447 cars here plus a 217 and a 237.
Main candidates look like:
H263444
H263568
H263569
H263572
H263575
H263577-9
H263582
or possibly the few cars around and just after H263737.
Numbers on the tag could be 178x8 or 1788x which would put the car around H263582. I like the look of 17888 which is spot on for H263582, as i'm sure I can see x788x there.
All of the above is educated guesswork though, you need to see if the digits on the back can be made to be seen. If we can get those I can get you the car. It isn't a GTR though as it is definitely an auto.
#19 _sunburst73-xu1_
Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:42 PM
This is what the markings look like on the back of the ADR tag, as stated above last 3 digits of the vin for Brissy built.
cheers
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#20 _Skapinad_
Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:57 PM
There is no bubble to burst as such. If you can somehow get the digits off the back we can probably nail the car, especially if you know some history of it eg where it was for most of its life. Car is almost certainly an 82311 as it is an auto, so the BETSBAC code you are looking for is most likely 43703A0, so look for BETSBAC starting with 437. Or possibly 447, 217 or 237.
Chassis number interpolation puts us close to about 50 cars either side of H26359x on page 199 of the service/warranty report. There are a fair few 437 and 447 cars here plus a 217 and a 237.
Main candidates look like:
H263444
H263568
H263569
H263572
H263575
H263577-9
H263582
or possibly the few cars around and just after H263737.
Numbers on the tag could be 178x8 or 1788x which would put the car around H263582. I like the look of 17888 which is spot on for H263582, as i'm sure I can see x788x there.
All of the above is educated guesswork though, you need to see if the digits on the back can be made to be seen. If we can get those I can get you the car. It isn't a GTR though as it is definitely an auto.
Now that post deserves a frOcken multitude of likes.... :thumbsup:
#21
Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:01 PM
Hi Dane'o
Thats because your car was built after around 9 May 1973 when the Body Number began to be derived from the PSN. See John Gong's comment above.
Cheers
Bazza
Edited by Bazza, 28 July 2014 - 08:02 PM.
#22 _Skapinad_
Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:04 PM
Hi Dane'o
Thats because your car was built after around 9 May 1973 when the Body Number began to be derived from the PSN. See John Gong's comment above.
Cheers
Bazza
Pretty Sure Dane is aware of that Bazza ?
#23 _sunburst73-xu1_
Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:09 PM
Hi Dane'o
Thats because your car was built after around 9 May 1973 when the Body Number began to be derived from the PSN. See John Gong's comment above.
Cheers
Bazza
Yep all good Bazza, just thought I would show members that haven't seen the markings on the back of the plate before that's all.
cheers Dane
#24
Posted 28 July 2014 - 09:08 PM
I noticed a typo in what I put above too, should be page 202 not 199 or the LJ service/warranty report.
#25
Posted 29 July 2014 - 03:41 PM
Hi adam,not sure what everyone is trying to say, but pre may 1973 brisbane built torana,s have (4) numbers sum have all (5) under the ADR tag and after may 1973 its also the body number but just (3) numbers it is still the body number as the vin/body number are the same..lc torana have red textra and lj torana black textra what i have seen.
Your car being BLJ18020B will be H26407# i have information on BLJ18027B.
cheers
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