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Sedan roll cage install

Started by _aussie too_ , Jul 27 2014 05:40 PM

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#1 _aussie too_

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:40 PM

Have brought a half roll cage ,it's a Highenergy brand second hand.
Would anybody have any photos or directions as to where it bolts on the floor.
Seems there's a few different position it could possibly go.

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#2 Statler

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 06:32 PM

I sat the drivers seat in our car before deciding on the cage position.

Assemble the cage without the foot plate bolts, sit in the seat as your normal driving position, manouver the cage to where it won't contact your head. Can it go back any further?

Have a feel in the boot as to where the rear stay bars will mount. Are the holes on the flat part of the parcel shelf? If YES, that's where she blows matey!

Edited by Statler, 27 July 2014 - 06:34 PM.

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#3 _aussie too_

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 07:30 PM

I sat the drivers seat in our car before deciding on the cage position.

Assemble the cage without the foot plate bolts, sit in the seat as your normal driving position, manouver the cage to where it won't contact your head. Can it go back any further?

Have a feel in the boot as to where the rear stay bars will mount. Are the holes on the flat part of the parcel shelf? If YES, that's where she blows matey!

Where did yourmiddle hoop end up, the best fit seems to be right in the middle of the rear door , no hope for anybody getting to the back seat

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#4 dattoman

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 07:44 PM

Caged cars can't legally carry rear seat passengers anyway

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:10 PM

It's actually just behind the B-pillar. It allows for full slide of the seat on the rails.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:16 PM

Caged cars can't legally carry rear seat passengers anyway

and only regd as a two seater too lol.is it mild steel or chromoly, as alloy is a no go

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#7 _aussie too_

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:22 PM

It's actually just behind the B-pillar. It allows for full slide of the seat on the rails.

So yours sit just behind the seat belt coil

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:43 PM

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:13 PM

There should be no reason caged cars cant carry rear passengers datto. As long as they have the legal head room should be fine. Obviously taxi bars are out as they would smash your teeth out but other than that should be fine. I realise toranas are small cars and prob dont meet the standard headroom regs but larger cars could. A bit iff old mates topic but still just thort i might add my 2 bob.
Cheers jake

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:17 PM

this is from another thread jake,not having a go or anything as i agree with you buddy

due to the risk of occupant injury in vehicle accidents the fitment of a full rollcage is not permitted,however the fitting of

a rollcage rearward of the driver is permissable provided that

(a) no part of the cage is contactable by vehicle occupants when possitioned in the normal seating position

(b ) the rollcage is 150mm rearward of the front seat occupants when the front seats are in the most rearward adjusted

position

(d) that no person travels in the rear at any time.

these laws is what the sa transport had to say but i dont know if all states are under the same law,

can be viewed... http://www.transport....bulletin_3.pdf

cheers Maz

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#11 _NewsuxLX_

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:39 AM

I see. Well as u say each state is probably different. Thanks maz

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#12 _aussie too_

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:22 AM

Thanks guys I am fully aware of what is legal and what's not.
This cage is for my Brock Marlboro replica, just trying to get it as close as possible .
I cant seem to find any photos of brocks interior and are unsure if the back seat was left in or removed.

The cage doesn't need to be cams approved or even have to be structurally strong it's purely for looks and to complete the picture.

Edited by aussie too, 28 July 2014 - 08:26 AM.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:49 AM

I think you will find the full interior was in the cars as they had to run that way due to the regs

Which car... might have some pics ?

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#14 _aussie too_

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:59 AM

I think you will find the full interior was in the cars as they had to run that way due to the regs

Which car... might have some pics ?

Thanks dattoman ,
its the 4 door LX that he used for a short time.
Have some very poor images where you can just see thru the front screen but very hard to make out.
Sorry properly should have clarified its intent purpose at the start of this thread to save any grief.
I am also aware it would have been a full cage in that car ,but am happy to go half cage just for pure ease of me getting in and out of the thing.

Edited by aussie too, 28 July 2014 - 09:03 AM.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 09:30 AM

any chance of putting your Image up Wayne,

because I have a Picture of an 05 replica here in Kewdale/Perth,

while waiting for the Traffic Lights in the 2002 Evo5 Yellow WRX ( they were called Evo then, now are Clubspec ).

p.s. I think his is the one that got stolen, and I only found it last night.

p.p.s. may not be good enough for you, but is a rear shot

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:12 AM

any chance of putting your Image up Wayne,

because I have a Picture of an 05 replica here in Kewdale/Perth,

while waiting for the Traffic Lights in the 2002 Evo5 Yellow WRX ( they were called Evo then, now are Clubspec ).

p.s. I think his is the one that got stolen, and I only found it last night.

p.p.s. may not be good enough for you, but is a rear shot

Hi Dave, mate I can't get pictures to upload to this site unfortunately
That hatch photo has a black interior, photos off the 4 door I have seen show it as a beige coloured interior

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:13 AM

Well, here is the Picture anyway Mate:-

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 08:33 PM

I sat the drivers seat in our car before deciding on the cage position.

Assemble the cage without the foot plate bolts, sit in the seat as your normal driving position, manouver the cage to where it won't contact your head. Can it go back any further?

Have a feel in the boot as to where the rear stay bars will mount. Are the holes on the flat part of the parcel shelf? If YES, that's where she blows matey!

Assuming that the Brock car didnt have the main hoop to parcel shelf bars so centred.

All race car and rollover protection fabricators I have spoken to have advised that these rear bars should be as far apart as possible.

The quicker you start to stop deflection, the less the rest of the surrounding panels will bend - and weaken - and allow the rest of the car to bend easier as a result.

Sometimes extra fabrication for the stays and shelf may be required - but worth it if you have ever had the misfortune of being inside a car that is being flipped end over end.

My next roll cage was built much better as a result of these conversations......

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 09:53 AM

That is true, however if the rear stays are as close to the body as possible, the cage will contact any rear seat passengers heads, hence no passengers. It's kinda pointless IMHO having a 4dr car & not being able to take the mrs & kids for a drive on any given Sunday.

The mounting brackets do not bolt onto a radius bend. They need to be mounted to a straight piece on the hoop.

To combat this, some suppliers put a bend in the rear stays which allows them to follow the window line.

The bloody regulations keep changing on this. It's hard to keep up. Wasn't NCOP supposed to fix all this 'between states' bullshit?

My cage was certified (Qld) in 2002. The new engineer won't pass it in this car. I intend to locate the previous guy & have him cert it which means having 2 blue plates.

I saw another LH Variety bash car go thru a rwc not long back with a 6 point bolt in cage & it passed with flying colors. The mining industry seem to be able to write their own rule book too.