My car in getting re sprayed at the mo, I went and looked at it today and noticed the steering wheel is raised about 10mm from normal the horn and blinkers no longer work. They have been pushing around it around by reefing on the steering wheel to push backwards and steer at the same time. Any ideas of what it might be ?
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, Jan 26 2015 03:38 PM
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:53 PM
Sounds like they have broken the collapsing pin in the column, the one that sheers when you have a prang to save your noggen a bit.
Removing steering wheels without a puller is another common cause....
Looks like they will be taking a couple of hundred off the bill to pay for the damage they did, as there is no excuse.
Looks good though.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 03:57 PM
Can you buy the pins? I looked a line drawing of the column and considered this the drawing shows 4 pins,
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:05 PM
I have no idea, have never had to replace one.
As far as i know there just nylon, would be easy enough to spin up and im sure you would have access to a lathe somewhere at work....
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:32 PM
Sounds like the upper column bearing may have shit itself or come loose in the coffee pot and as bomber said the sheer pins have also broken.
Never tried to replace the two sheer pins in the steering shaft however they are very fine, maybe 1.5mm in dia. From factory they are injection moulded into the steering shaft.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 04:57 PM
So the broken pins don't stop the car from steering. As it steers normal and free?
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 05:00 PM
No they won't. They only allow the shaft to collapse into itself.
I reckon they've stuffed the top bearing in the coffee pot, or worse, buggered the coffee pot where the bearings housed.
I reckon they've stuffed the top bearing in the coffee pot, or worse, buggered the coffee pot where the bearings housed.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 05:34 PM
Why do people do things like this,those pins don't do much at all,there is not much to them,at best they are probably more of an anti rattle thing than a safety feature.There is 2 of them in the top part of outer tube where it has been swaged for the inner shaft to fit for drive.
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As already mentioned,sounds like top bearing problems,bit more than a couple hundred to fix that ,if that is the case.
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The pins are for assembly purposes only, it doesn't matter if they are broken and the collapsible column slides in and out.
The steering wheel end of the column shaft is retained in the upper bearing, by a step in the shaft underneath and a circlip on the top end. The bearing is retained in the coffee pot by a thin casting - its definitely not designed to be pulled on (to replace the bearing you remove the casting entirely and simply stake the new one).
The steering wheel end of the column shaft is retained in the upper bearing, by a step in the shaft underneath and a circlip on the top end. The bearing is retained in the coffee pot by a thin casting - its definitely not designed to be pulled on (to replace the bearing you remove the casting entirely and simply stake the new one).
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 05:42 PM
Well thare ya go, my mistake.
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 06:25 PM
The pins are for assembly purposes only, it doesn't matter if they are broken and the collapsible column slides in and out.The steering wheel end of the column shaft is retained in the upper bearing, by a step in the shaft underneath and a circlip on the top end. The bearing is retained in the coffee pot by a thin casting - its definitely not designed to be pulled on (to replace the bearing you remove the casting entirely and simply stake the new one).
So based on this the thin casting must have given away allowing the shaft to move outwards as well as having broken pins to allow the movement in the first instance
Mmmmm no doubt it will be denied, oh well jobbie when I get it back
I did jiggle it around and got the wheel to go back RH blinker was working , not the LH
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 06:35 PM
frOck the Cunning Stunts.
While the car is in there care its there problem.
Compensation, you will seek. AFTER the job is finished...That is....
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 06:59 PM
They have a very thin amount of casting that is rolled over the top to hold the upper bearing in,if it is only this that has given way
from considerate work practice (take that as you will) then probably not that much of a drama,but..if it has been yanked on hard from
the side with arm through window then where bearing sits is only thin walled as well,let's hope the bearing retainer in coffee pot has not been cracked out from one side as well as being pulled up crooked.
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Posted 27 January 2015 - 08:02 PM
It could also be the outer housing has fractured.
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 09:54 AM
Could just be the coffee pot bolts have come loose. Remove the wheel and tighten the bolts behind the indicator assembly.
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 10:08 AM
Could just be the coffee pot bolts have come loose. Remove the wheel and tighten the bolts behind the indicator assembly.
If it was only the coffee pot mounting screws needed tightening he wouldn't have a 10mm gap opened up between the steering wheel and the coffee pot.
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 05:20 PM
Thanks guys
Clearly in order for it move over 10mm
1 the plastic pins have broken
2 the top bearing on the coffee pot has come out, as to why I won't know until I oil the wheel off
I will keep you all posted the car isn't back for a couple of weeks
Clearly in order for it move over 10mm
1 the plastic pins have broken
2 the top bearing on the coffee pot has come out, as to why I won't know until I oil the wheel off
I will keep you all posted the car isn't back for a couple of weeks
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Posted 29 January 2015 - 07:43 PM
Muzzy,
I went through the whole restoring the coffee pot scenario a while back.
There is heaps here on it inc. photos which should help: http://www.gmh-toran...oume-coffe-pot/
Cheers, TB
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Posted 29 January 2015 - 10:54 PM
im not sure if it will work,
but for the plastic pins, could try clean out the holes and hot glue them.
should be able to get enough pressure to force it in?
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