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#201 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:04 AM

Kraft is foreign owned.

Hope you don't eat vegemite.

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:34 AM

Your right, and where do there profits go.. ??

 

I like Ozemite .....   But choice is choice..  

 

Of cause there is always going to be foreign investment & ownership, but they should pay there fair share of tax on the money they earn in Australia (and they probably do?)    but that is a lot different, than mining companies making $ billions of dollars using all of our resources...

 

and on top of that, they are handed back Billions of dollars in Tax Relief .. Quote from "The Age" taken on 01/04/2015 .. Australia's biggest 900 companies claimed tax deductions and exemptions worth a total $25 billion last year – enough to wipe out two-thirds of the current federal budget deficit at a stroke.

I don't mind where the companies come from, Tax them accordingly, for the profits they make, and the damage that there industries cause..  not to much to ask surly???... 

cheers Ian


Edited by ChaosWeaver, 01 April 2015 - 09:36 AM.


#203 Rockoz

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 10:12 AM

The big companies need to make lots of money.

They need to give their investors a return.

If the return isnt there, then the investors leave.

Then the company slows and possibly folds.

Then the workers dont have a job.

No job no money, the local supermarket suffers, and all the businesses.

This is a time also where money can be lost and won.

 

What our governments do need though is a reliable source of funds. And people who can understand that markets and demand go up and down.

No point promising to fund stuff when the funds you are expecting to pay for it are in a volatile market.

 

Not sure of the rates of taxation and mineral rights for CSG but it may be another reliable fund stream for the government.



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 11:19 AM

Mine boom has not help the country it's made some people very rich and the rest will stuff for ever. We dig the place up for Chinese free trade so they can send us containers on shit for the $2 shop or Bunnings. Great deal and the Chinese must sit back and think what bunch of dicks. Show me a place in Australia where mining has done great things for the town? What we have done is sold the backyard to share holders with nothing to show for it and no money to pay the bills. All I see is people need to work their ass off very to keep their heads a float,

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:19 PM

Rob, you and the mining companies need to get a room....  they have trained you well.....   you say your home address is Santuary Point...  so let me guess your a FIFO worker, or have been..  you live in a nice place with no mines or gas wells...  but your more than happy to have them somewhere as long as there's money to be made, and you can fly home after the roster....   and don't get me wrong, I have lots of friends who do the same thing, and have done quite well. But at least they can see it for what it is, and don't try and deny the damage that is being done, but hell, just like the Maquarie Bank speed camera's, someone's gotta do it so why not me, especially if i'm getting payed well.....   Is the Great Barrier Reef up for grabs too, Jeeezus, think of the jobs it could create, and the money the investors could make, just frOck all that worthless coral shit of out of the way, I've already seen it, so who cares.....  frOck lets just turn the whole joint into a Quarrie and a Gas plant.......  we would all have jobs, I could fly from Lake Macquarie to Sanctuary point and dig the shit out of it, and you could fly up here and did the shit out of Lake Macquarie..  jobs,jobs, jobs....  Investors get richer wow sounds like your type of paradise...........   

 

and before you bust a fingernail trying to reply....  yes we need mining, yes we need oil, sure gas is marginally better than oil, and hell yeah I use all of the for mentioned, except natural gas.   but you have to be Stupid or Greedy, if you think they don't need to pay there fair share. The Top 900 Companies in Australia last year TOOK $25 Billion dollars in TAX RELIEF........    and 87%  of the money these cnuts are making is going over seas.....  

 

Australia is much more than a Quarrie, it's about time we start to realize it....  and if we have to have Quarries, let them pay us for the right to get rich on our resources.....

 

Well and truly over & out...   It's getting like trying to tell a heroin addict,  that the multi million dollar heroin industry is not good for the country either...   :surrenderwave:

sorry in advance for any hurt feelings..   :innocent:



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 04:35 PM

Ian

I actually drove up to the Hunter every week to mine up there.

Lived there for a while too/

Spent most of my life in a mining town.

Didnt always work in mining.

But mining was needed to help keep the town going.

 

But it would seem that unlike you I look at life realistically.

 

Your main beef seems to be how much they make.

 They arent breaking any laws using the rules to make money.

Until the laws change, that is the way it will be.

 

Tax them more. Make them pay more money.

Then see what happens.

Places like Singleton and Muswellbrook would have things change very quickly indeed.

Other nearby places would change as well but to a lesser extent.

 

 

Oh. To put my thought and philosophy a bit better.

 

There are always many alternatives.

But alternatives dont always work.

What is needed is solutions that do work.

 

And as for CSG there still appears to be more protestors in NSW than Qld where the industry is booming.

And that has been by checking the anti CSG sites I can find.


Edited by Rockoz, 01 April 2015 - 04:45 PM.


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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:07 PM

Ive been to Kal and didn't think much of it.

It was chock full of unfriendly strangers ignoring each other.

A lot of old joints were falling to bits because of the constant blasting.



Had a bloody good feed there, though. (I was only there for a day, but first impressions count)

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 05:10 PM


It was chock full of unfriendly strangers ignoring each other.

 

 

I havnt been around as much as you, and we both know that, but thats my general impression of everywhere I have been?

Cheers. 



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 06:54 PM

Quotes from the link "AWU". All credit to National Secretary Paul Howe....brackets supplied.

 

 

 

 

"Right here – in Eastern Australia – we have more than 250 trillion cubic feet of natural CSG resources beneath our feet.

That’s enough to power a city of one million people for 5000 years.

And although there’s a lot of talk about the huge capacity of the new LNG plants up north, it also pays to put them into perspective:

if China were to convert just four per cent of its current thermal coal demand to natural gas - this alone would expand the global LNG industry by roughly the same amount that Australia is currently gearing up to produce."

(really,so why export to China and where are all the cheap clean power stations for Australia?"

 

"CSG is now the major domestic gas fuel source in Queensland, providing some 90 per cent of domestic gas supply.

The state's coal seam gas industry employs more than 27,000 people, and has signed more than 3,500 landholder agreements.

CSG has now contributed more than $100 million to community projects and causes.

As we all know, CSG also promises to underpin a valuable new export sector in Queensland – LNG.

Four projects are planned for development, piping the gas from the CSG fields of inland Queensland to the port city of Gladstone."

(true,still unsure what "community projects and causes mean?")

 

"These extraordinary outcomes have not accrued by accident.

They are the result of bold calls by the former Queensland Labor Government under Premier Anna Bligh.

She was quick to see the potential benefits of CSG and stuck her neck out on changing the rules – and that’s what has led to the situation today.

Whereas an application for exploration used to cost $100,000 and take 18 months to process, that has been reduced to $500 and seven days.

These conditions were carefully standardised so that they are known and they are predictable for industry."

(really,not a bad effort to "knock down those hurdles?",try being someone who who just wants "scratch for a bit of gold for a living?)

 

"As a result the Queensland CSG industry will soon be paying $850 million in state taxes every year and helping fund new roads, hospitals, and schools.

So Queensland's the east coast benchmark-setter here."

(very obvious)

 

"Objections to CSG – just like objections to fluoride, or to vaccinations, or to genetically modified food – will always exist.

But we need to banish them to the fringes where they belong.

It is the sensible middle’s responsibility – and therefore the responsibility of both major parties - to step up on this one."

(plenty more in that fine speech!,but going on the closing quote.......)

Many thanks to the owner of the below link for stating the obvious :)

http://www.awu.net.a...l-gas-resources

 



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 07:02 PM

I havnt been around as much as you, and we both know that, but thats my general impression of everywhere I have been?
Cheers. 


Probably because you look strange ? :tease:

#212 Rockoz

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 08:08 PM

Draw a comparison.

 

Im sure most of us are aware of some old bloke with a classic sitting around that he wont sell.

It just rusts away until it is basically worthless.

 

And I have seen some people here less than impressed about that happening.

 

A similar scenario may exist with CSG and in fact a number of our mineral assets



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 09:07 PM

This is the balance they need to have struck, and to me makes perfect sense......  wonder what his view is now ?? 

 



#214 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 02 April 2015 - 02:29 PM

Probably because you look strange ? :tease:

 

This coming from the albino midget. 



#215 _Skapinad_

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Posted 02 April 2015 - 07:54 PM

Geez that's a bit harsh, I'm hardly a midget ! :)

#216 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 02 April 2015 - 08:16 PM

Ok ok Garden Gnome then. 



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Posted 04 April 2015 - 08:28 PM

Welcome to your vice, good luck with your life....................................................................................................................................................................................haha

 






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