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Strange steering issue.

Started by _judgelj_ , May 19 2015 05:55 PM

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 08:07 AM

Sounds like wheel bearings are the most likely culprit. You reckon your CV joints are getting worn so prob best to do the lot in one hit.

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#27 _judgelj_

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 06:02 PM

I've done of of the CV's on that thing before. What a damn nightmare!

I think ill order some bearings kits, or is it just a replacement hub? So there shouldnt be any play in the disc what so ever, dave?

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 06:20 PM

I assume the Hilux uses double row ball bearings on the front so there should be very little to no play whatsoever in the bearing.

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 06:56 PM

Movement at 12 & 6 indicates wheel bearings but could also be king pin bearings which might be why when moving disc with wheel

removed was not so noticeable ??

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#30 _mello92_

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 07:13 PM

What series is the Hilux?

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#31 _judgelj_

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 09:42 PM

KZN165

Im not familiar with the term king pin? What is it?

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 11:14 PM

Im not familiar with the term king pin? What is it?

On your Hilux front suspension that would be the upper and lower ball joints.

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#33 _LS1 Taxi_

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 12:18 AM

Kingpins as fitted to old holdens needs to be checked differently to the later ball joints. Ball joints you'd check for play at droop......kingpins are checked when loaded as they will pass a droop test even when shagged.
So you'd jack the car under the lower arm and check the kingpin when the wheel clears the road.

Not sure if that's similar to your hilux but I believe you should get it properly checked. It sounds dangerous.

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#34 _judgelj_

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:21 PM

Anyway worked it out today broken RHF drive shaft. The joint closest to the hub broke. So may not have been bearing after all despite there being play, that could just be an adjustment issue. Now my theory is that the joint was binding and causing the shudder. At least that's the only theory i can come up with.

Thanks for the help anyway.

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#35 _oldjohnno_

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 06:51 PM

Anyway worked it out today broken RHF drive shaft. The joint closest to the hub broke. So may not have been bearing after all despite there being play, that could just be an adjustment issue. Now my theory is that the joint was binding and causing the shudder. At least that's the only theory i can come up with.

Thanks for the help anyway.

Often if one of the swivel bearings collapse it'll cause the vehicle weight to be carried by the axle, and this in turn can bind up the freewheel hub, flog out the hub bush and axle seal and cause weird steering, noises and assorted broken bits.

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#36 _judgelj_

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 08:49 PM

Well definitely got the assortment of broken bits! For some reason i thought that they didnt spin at the hub unless the hub lock was engaged (electronic in my case)

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#37 _oldjohnno_

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 09:11 PM

i thought that they didnt spin at the hub unless the hub lock was engaged

You're right, they don't normally. But if the axle is carrying weight (as a result of a bad swivel bearing) then it binds up the FW hub and chews it up. Another symptom is the FW hub bolts coming loose.

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#38 _judgelj_

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 04:51 PM

That makes sense, however do the FW hubs work the same as the automatic locking hubs (is it the same thing with electronic engagement)?

Ordered a new CV today. I remember the last one i did was a nightmare of a job to refit, hopefully this one takes less than 8 hours.

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#39 _judgelj_

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 12:17 PM

So the ADD hubs dont spin with the wheel. CV had smashed into two pieces, now replaced. Was actually much easier than the last one 3 years ago. Except for the cone washers in the hub assembly. They were a massive pain to get out.

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#40 _mello92_

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 02:08 PM

Use a brass hammer (or a brass drift if you don't have one) to firmly tap the end of the stud and they will shock lose. You don't need to bash then through to the other side of the vehicle, just some good firm hits and they will come out. Leave the nuts on if you're worried about the threads. I always put them back with the split facing outward that way you can wiggle them out with a small screwdriver if need be. Throughly check those ball joints too, if they've never been replaced its likely they are worn.

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#41 _oldjohnno_

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 04:05 PM

Was the axle seal OK (the one inboard of the CV)? Usually when the swivel brgs fail this seal and its housing gets trashed as well.

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#42 _judgelj_

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 05:18 PM

What i did was lock some vice grips onto a section of pipe and hammer that around the washers. Worked for most of them but some were stubborn as they started to rust a bit. As well as that someone rolled over the edge of the front flange by hitting it with a hammer so i had to file away the metal as it was retaining the washers. Took about 2 hours with blow torch and lubricant. Hitting the studs is a good idea, i didnt think of that. Are those washers painted black or treated? I had to linish them a bit to remove burs and they went shiny. Was worried about corrosion so used a lot of grease when re installing.

Had a quick look at the axle seal and didnt seem like anything was wrong. How does the failure trash the seal? Looked to me like the cage had broken, ball bearings fell out. that was it.

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#43 _mello92_

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 06:39 PM

I believe OJ is thinking about solid axles such as in the front of Patrols, Landcruisers, older Hiluxes etc. where the CV runs inside the swivel housing.

In your case Jacob its unlikely that CV failure would damage the seal but its a real possibility. If its all good then happy days!

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#44 _oldjohnno_

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Posted 31 May 2015 - 08:45 PM

I believe OJ is thinking about solid axles such as in the front of Patrols, Landcruisers, older Hiluxes etc. where the CV runs inside the swivel housing.

In your case Jacob its unlikely that CV failure would damage the seal but its a real possibility. If its all good then happy days!

That's exactly what I was thinking Mello. It never even occurred to me that it wasn't a solid axle - just ignore everything I said.

Ah well, that's what happens when you get old...