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[xu2308]

Some were Black and some were Silver, so go with what you like out of Black or Silver I guess, the GTR Rim was a Nibless Rim, the Sprintmaster Wheels were not available to Aug 1972 for the LJ range.

[jd lj]

I beg to differ about LJ GTR wheels being nibless. They were a 13 x5.5"rim with nibs, black in the centre out to the wheel nuts, then the rest was a dark silver.

It appears that the entire rim was painted black (possibly dipped) and then a disc placed in the centre to stop the silver paint getting on there and then the face was painted silver. If you look at a genuine one you'll see that there's silver overspray over the black on the outside of the rim where the tyre covers. There's also a green daub of paint near one of the spot welds.

LC GTR wheels have the date code next to the valve on the face of the wheel but LJ'S have it on the outside of the rim near the spot welds, only seen with the tyre removed.

[Bazza]

Hi

 

The parts catalogue specify different part numbers for GTR and XU-1 wheels. There is however, anecdotal evidence that some late '73 GTRs were fitted with nibless rims. Perhaps an owner of such a vehicle can confirm.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[S pack]

Not really because GTR rims were 13" x 5.5" whereas the std rim for the S & SL was 13" x 4.5". 13" x 5.5" were an option on S & SL.

There is not that much of the wheel centre that is painted black. It is just the flat-ish area of the centre disc around the wheel studs. Where the flange of the centre trim cap sits.

Edited by S pack, 21 April 2016 - 09:54 PM.

[Bazza]

could it be said that gtr rims were just normal rims on the line that are e-cote with a bit of silver and the centre is not coloured because they were destined for a hubcap, but still used in production on gtr

Hi

 

The 'normal rims' fitted to 6 cylinders were 4.5" x 13" The "extra wide rally wheels", their words not mine, which were standard fitment to GTRs were 5.5" x 13", were optional on the other 6 cylinders.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza

[S pack]

Hello Matt,

                   the 1970's was a time when many things could be optioned so we could not say never, I suppose XU-1 nibless rims could have been optioned up from the GTR 5.5 wide rims as the boot tie downs were the same.

 

I doubt that any S mopdel was fitted with 5.5 wide rims at a dealership because body modifications would be required to make them fit the boot.

 

Your question about GTR rims, My 1973 GTR just had the std 5.5 wide rims standard to this model, and I have never heard of them having anything else.   ( Only the XU-1 rims were normally nibless )

 

The XU-1 had a thicker centre to stop them buckling under adverse conditions and I can confirm that the 5.5 GTR rims did buckle as in my 100, 000 miles in a LJ I buckled several on rough road sufaces.

 

The reason the centres are black is so they match the wheel cap colour, rather than a black cap on a totally silver wheel.

 

See page 110 of Torana Tough, but bear in mind that this is a 1972 GTR, the 1973 did not have red wall tyres, and neither did the 1973 XU-1    

 

I know the advertisemant was changed for the XU-1 so I doubt that the 1972 GTR has redwalls either.

 

If you look at the Fiv Antoniou book build sheet you will see that the Aug 1972 did not have redwall tyres fitted. 

 

Mike

Optional equipment was factory fitted. Accessories were Dealer fitted.

The 5.5 " wide wheels were an option on S & SL models.

 

Cheers

Dave.

Edited by S pack, 03 May 2016 - 05:30 PM.

[Bazza]

As evidenced by a number of forum members who have S models with only a single spare wheel bracket.

Cheers Bazza

[S pack]

There was even a shortage of std 13" x 4.5" wheels during LJ production (in late 1972 from memory) so 5.5" wheels were fitted instead.

[crabba67]

As evidenced by a number of forum members who have S models with only a single spare wheel bracket.

Cheers Bazza

Spot on,one with 4 speed and rims sorry i dont have a picture of the boot but only one bracket.

cheers

[Collo]

My old 12/72 4 door had the 5.5in wheels from new. Still got them in the shed. 

[jd lj]

To the best of my knowledge, all the factory 4 speeds/floor shift manuals shared the same floor pan as the gtr's and Xu-1's. This would have reduced production costs and the need to store more variations of similar items in stock.

My S model was factory fitted with 5.5" gtr rims and the floor pan with only one spare wheel bracket and a m20 box. I've also seen a July 73 4 door (very original car) with only 4.5" rims, one spare wheel bracket and m20 box.

[S pack]

To the best of my knowledge, all the factory 4 speeds/floor shift manuals shared the same floor pan as the gtr's and Xu-1's. This would have reduced production costs and the need to store more variations of similar items in stock.

My S model was factory fitted with 5.5" gtr rims and the floor pan with only one spare wheel bracket and a m20 box. I've also seen a July 73 4 door (very original car) with only 4.5" rims, one spare wheel bracket and m20 box.

Not so James. There were 6 cyl S & SL optioned with the M20 4spd that have 4.5" wheels and two spare wheel brackets.

Edited by S pack, 03 May 2016 - 07:16 PM.

[jd lj]

Well there goes that theory then. I wonder if this changed towards the end of the production run in the second half of 73 or perhaps another variable. I've seen the m20 with one bracket on both Adelaide and Brisbane built cars.

[S pack]

James, the console shift floor pan (bucket seats) was shared throughout the entire LJ Torana model range ie: 82211, 82311, 82369, 82411, 82469, 82811, 82869, 82569 and 82911, as well as the left hand drive models with console shift manual or auto.

 

I can only guess the spare wheel brackets were fitted to the boot floor, as required, on the assembly line.

[S pack]

Well there goes that theory then. I wonder if this changed towards the end of the production run in the second half of 73 or perhaps another variable. I've seen the m20 with one bracket on both Adelaide and Brisbane built cars.

Thinking about it some more and a bit of research to boot (no pun intended) it seems that just as front disc brakes were std fitment when the 3300 eng was optioned in LJ Torana S & SL so were the 13" x 5.5" rims.

[Bazza]

I believe the sway-bar may also have been fitted also.

Bazza

[xu2308]

Chuck on the new 13X7 Sprintmasters and forget the Standard rims, mag biters will love them.

[jd lj]

I believe the sway-bar may also have been fitted also.
Bazza

Well that's another extra item that came with my car.