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[yel327]

At least NSW and Vic have roadworthy checks!

[RallyRed]

Would it hurt you to tell a bit of a lie, this is a Torana forum.

This was the one day EVER that the Monaro was in front ...briefly......lol  ( pinched from F/B )

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[Ice]

I hear blokes in the west use dry Banana skins for panel repairs...

Your brain is pickled Skap whats left of it

[yel327]

This was the one day EVER that the Monaro was in front ...briefly......lol  ( pinched from F/B )

 

Conversely Col, go and look at total race time for 1970 and compare to 1969! If the same car that won in 1969 ran in 1970 and did the same race time it'd have won easily, and 1969 had a big crash on the first lap that slowed the race significantly. It is about the only comparison we have unfortunately, other than the Muscle Car Masters.
 

[Shiney005]

What's with the front spoiler on the blue one above? Was that a homologated item?

[RallyRed]

What's with the front spoiler on the blue one above? Was that a homologated item?

Its a NZ pic I think...they seem to have a thing for front spoilers ( see current day Trans Am Camaros etc)

[yel327]

Yeah strange, All the cars seemed to be faster in 69, than they were in 70 by about a second a lap ??

 

And then a big jump in performance with the LJ ...   ..

 

1969 :

 

• Pole Position - #59 Ian Geoghegan - 2:48.9
• Fastest Lap - #61 Moffat/Hamilton & #60 Gibson/Seton - 2:52.1 (lap record)
• Average Speed - 123 km/h
• Race Time - 6:32:25  

1970 :

 

• Pole Position - #64 Allan Moffat - 2:49.3
• Fastest Lap - #53 Goss/Skelton - 2:53 (lap record)
• Average Speed - 122 km/h
• Race Time - 6:33:47

 

1972 :

• Pole Position - #1 Allan Moffat - 2:35.8
• Fastest Lap - #1 Allan Moffat - 2:36.5 (lap record)
• Average Speed - 133 km/h
• Race Time - 6:01:53
• One minute penalties were applied to #28 Peter Brock (starting car while refueling), #3 Murray Carter and #53 Bassingthwaite/Hanger (push starts)
• Two one minute penalties were applied to both #1 Allan Moffat (starting car while refueling) and #2 Leo Geoghegan (push starts)

 

Exactly. So much for the "superior" GT-HO II and how it would have trounced HDT Monaros - bollocks! By 1970 the HT's would have had another 12 months of development if GMH continued down the Monaro path. The Bond HDT Monaro went on to win another two consecutive endurance races after Bathurst 1969 as it was (Lakeside 1500 in November 1969 and the Rothams 12 hour at Surfers Paradise in January 1970). Harry's Old Man Emu is possibly what would have been run in any case at Bathurst 1970 if GMH stayed with the Monaro, which was a HT-HG with LT1 360hp 350, Muncie and 12 bolt. But regardless, 12 months worth of extra development and the same car on race rubber should have improved.

 

1972 times are tyres and improvements (incl. lessons learned)  from the previous year's cars. Look at the improvement in the GT-HO III times from 1971 compared to 1972, qualifying, fastest race lap and total race time (including penalties) are all significantly better for 1972. As far as I can tell 1969 was the last year a car won on road tyres too (Michelin XAS - same tyres as on McPhee's car from 1968, and from memory McPhee has XAS on too for his 2nd place in 1969).
 

[S pack]

Is it true they used to put banana skins in the gearboxes to quiten them down or just BS

The banana, not the skin. Then Nulon teflon goop was developed to replace the banana but a banana was still cheaper.

Edited by S pack, 20 July 2016 - 10:03 PM.