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[piquet]

Please don't take it a a personal thing. If it was a beer rant you did well.
Unfortunately some of the way people read the regulations is a bit cockeyed.

It's funny but if one reads and applies the regulations strictly as written then there are no Toranas that are correct and not many other cars either. And I will admit that if the regulations were to be strictly applied then my Torana would be excluded and I would be charged with knowingly entering an ineligible.

The regs state that the cylinder block and head must be from the year, make and model. Seeing that XU1 had a specific cylinder block and a specific cylinder head then they should be competing with those items fitted.

That will never be enforced and quite rightly so.

[piquet]

Yes it is happening and will be in for all Group N cars from the the end of Next year if I rmember correctly.

 

Not a real problem in my opinion.

There was a problem previously with some cars. But people are smarter now. Fat engines are not really a problem now. Its is more the reshaping of cylinder heads with adding metal  even to the extent of some using Devcon to alter combustion chamber profile.

After PI earlier this year was the first protest by one competitor from Qld about a Victorian car. They asked that the bore and stroke be checked. Put up their dollars and the engine was duly pulled down, only to find that the bore and stroke hence capacity was spot on. Protest dismissed. The Qlders left with egg on their face and a bill for the engine they protested against to be re assembled.

 

The one thing that needs to be remembered if you were ever to protest is that the scrutineers can only look at what is in the protest. If it is stated Bore and Stroke then that is what is checked. They can't look at cylinder head or anything else despite the fact that the head could be totally illegal.

 

That sorts the protest system out really quickly and the fact that if the protest is dismissed then the protestors have a big bill to pay for engines to be rebuilt. plus they lose their protest fee. If it is up held they get their protest fee back and don't have to pay for the rebuild.

Edited by piquet, 13 September 2016 - 09:06 PM.

[piquet]

I could add the names but I won't to "protect the innocent"

Let's just say it was a couple of Qlders that were pissed that their Ford RSs whatevers were passed by a Japanese 4 cylinder thing off the line and also in straight out speed.

Sadly it is rumoured the people that did the protesting haven't exactly got a clean record of complying with the regulations along the way.

Correctamundo, lots of driveing experience. lots of car prep time and lots of local knowledge. Also a reasonably good budget for the said car and lots of the good stuff internally from a couple of Japanese manufacturers that all sees to fit.

 

and about reverse protesting that really doesn't achieve much except for people being really pissed off and two people goping home with cars in pieces and not really gaining anything.

 

This was the first time in my memory of involvement in the Group N/App J that I have heard of someone actually being prepared to put their money up for a protest.

I guarantee that the guys that lodged protest will think long and hard before they do it again. The stripping of an OHC engine to check the bore and stroke is not a simple thing. Nor is putting the thing back together. I think it cost the Qlders close to a couple of thou to find that they were wrong. Because they had to pay for the head gasket and labour to put it all back to how it had been.

Bet that put a dent in their budget.

Edited by piquet, 14 September 2016 - 09:01 PM.

[piquet]

This is getting way off the topic of Chris Thomas and his giant killer car though.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

Edited by piquet, 14 September 2016 - 09:21 PM.

[piquet]

No not at all. If you are talking a bout using the 179 in an EH. but it cant be used in a later model vehicle, well not without getting the agreement of an EO.