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[yel327]

^^Unfortunate reference! Netball is actually one of the most toughly contested sports at the top level. Fitness and commitment wise some of the girl's at the top level of that sport would whip these race driver's arses!

[madtoranajzedded]

You know what i mean bud.

[yel327]

You know what i mean bud.

 

I got it, but as I said it was an unfortunate reference.
 

[RallyRed]

i only watched dribs and drabs on Sunday on TV........but the bits I saw made it look like the R Bull team drivers had been off to Speedway School during the week.

They seemed to be sliding  up and under a few cars as the day went on. Great car controll by the way, those few times SVG slid in and under at the dipper were spectacular to say the least.

 

I do sometimes wonder if the mega buck teams can bluff some of the others with this sort of stuff ...

 

IMHO

Edited by RallyRed, 11 October 2016 - 03:02 PM.

[arrimar]

I dont know if I'd back off and wait for a car that may not come back on track. You can do all that once it is back in play.

[StephenSLR]

 

Red Bull told Jamie Whincup to keep following Scott McLaughlin before crash

 

http://www.foxsports...n=FoxMotorsport

 

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[piquet]

John bowe is spot on,you also Dave.

Do we really want racing a non contact sport
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Having raced in Historic racing on and off for over 20 years, yes we do want non contact racing.

Good clean racing is the way to go. Personally I hate seeing the amount of damage that these V8 supertaxis inflict on each other's cars and then just get out walk away and leave the repairs and the bill for fixing everything up to someone else.
Most have no respect for the cars at all.

[piquet]

I suppose that right but it still doesn't sit right with me.

[LXCHEV]

The absolute highlight for me from this years Bathurst were those glorious 6 laps of Touring Car Masters! So much eye candy, I wish it went for much much longer

 

For what it's worth though - I've been in 2 minds regarding the incident being discussed, but the more I look at it, I absolutely agree with JB too... Whincup should be given the race win, it's just another racing incident. Had the 2nd part of the chaos not eventuated, we wouldn't be talking about it. Very unlucky for Tander, gotta feel sorry for him... (especially when it sounds like they had good form and strategy up their sleeve - saving it for the last bit of the race). That's motor-racing for ya.

[davea79]

The move wasn't on. Dive bomb Jamie!
The Giz was doing it @ the Elbow but could pull it up if the door closed.
Barg's stuffed the call up on the day really... should have been a drive through for Jamie and most of the noise would be over by now. It will be a circus for sometime to come!

The move wasn't on. Dive bomb Jamie!
The Giz was doing it @ the Elbow but could pull it up if the door closed.
Barg's stuffed the call up on the day really... should have been a drive through for Jamie and most of the noise would be over by now. It will be a circus for sometime to come!

[yel327]

Why do people keep saying a drive through penalty should have been applied? That is not in the rules for this season. The rules are redress or get a points penalty. Giving Whincup a drive though would be like a League ref giving a penalty in front of the sticks for a knock on, when it should be a scrum feed.

[RallyRed]

.........looks like time is a tickin?....

 

Following the conclusion of the 2016 Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000, CAMS has explained the next steps that could occur in an appeal process.
Triple Eight’s car #88 (Jamie Whincup/Paul Dumbrell) received a 15 second post-race time penalty for Careless Driving after causing contact with Car #33, Scott McLaughlin/David Wall, at Turn 21 on Lap 150.
CAMS Stewards then received a ‘Notice of Intention to Appeal’ within the hour of the penalty being issued.
For the matter to proceed further, a ‘Notice of Appeal’ then needs to be submitted within 92 hours of the Steward’s decision.
A Supercars National Court of Appeal would then be appointed, and would comprise of three members drawn from a Judicial Panel of independent persons appointed by CAMS.

[Dodgey]

Why wouldn't you have a go?

 

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[RallyRed]

''çause the door was 10ft ajar??

[RallyRed]

cant say i disagree with that Ian.

 

Its a bit like the footy...slowing stuff down to frame by frame,or even still shots....stuff is seen that the humans at the time,never saw

Edited by RallyRed, 12 October 2016 - 08:37 PM.

[yel327]

Unless something dodgy happens Whincup and Dumbrell will be 2016 Bathurst winners. In my opinion. It is almost 1968 all over again......but back then the dodgy thing seems to havehappened.

Edited by yel327, 12 October 2016 - 08:48 PM.

[Tyre biter]

I see the whole thing as two distinct issues;

1. Pass by Whincup on McLaughlin, and

2. Redress by Whincup.

 

On the first, I won't get into whether the pass was on, legitimate and if McLaughlin turned in on Whincup.

What is clear is that Whincup knew of the contact, saw McLaughlin went off the road and held the opinion that his manoeuvre was outside of the rules.

Evidence of this is his redressing the matter.

 

On the last, I get that McLaughlin must re-enter the circuit safely and by the assessments of most including the Stewards, he did not - no issue.

The thing is, the race was still on - there were no yellows.

I would think that a driver when redressing a matter needs to do so safely and in a manner that does not impede the race including other drivers not involved in the incident warranting redress.

He slowed significantly in comparison to the race pace, he remained on the racing line and he impeded Tander.

He need not have redressed right there but my opinion is that he did so in an effort to retain his position immediately behind McLaughlin and not lose any position in the race. 

 

And on the discrepancy in penalties applied.

I've read that a 10 point or 10 second penalty is the norm - sources vary.

If 10 seconds, there is no change to the results, just Whincup finishes inside the Tope 10.

If 10 points, I wonder if the penalty is usually applied is to a driver who does not redress.

That Whincup couldn't redress is likely the determining factor in the Stewards applying a 15 second penalty as opposed to a 10 point penalty.

 

I believe 888 has until today to lodge their submission - will be interesting to see if they do.

I wonder whether as a 'big' team there will be pressure from Holden not appeal given the race was won by another 'small' Holden team who is a customer of 888.

Cheers, TB

Edited by Tyre biter, 13 October 2016 - 07:32 AM.

[Tyre biter]

Sorry Chaos, just having a laugh

Just wondering, is 'rick o'shea' related to the US racing driver of the 1940's-60's Paul O'Shea or to that old French driver ricochet by any chance?

Cheers, TB

Edited by Tyre biter, 13 October 2016 - 10:53 AM.

[arrimar]

Is the penalty for the hit on McG or the careless diving after?

[RallyRed]

...havent seen any news as to weather or not Red Bull have actually lodgded the appeal,... I think the time runs out in a few hours?,

but  the Volvo put his hand up anyway.....see what happens..

 

Following an investigation and an admission by Car #33, Scott McLaughlin/David Wall, of Careless Driving (unsafe re-entry to the circuit at Turn 22 on Lap 150), the Stewards imposed the penalty of the loss of 25 Championship Points on Car #33, Scott McLaughlin/David Wall.

 

Looks the podium result may stand.?

 

p.s. poor old Wincup...cant take a trick....

 

Following an investigation and an admission by Car #88, Jamie Whincup that he failed to obey the direction of an official (to wear his race suit for pre-race activities), the Stewards imposed a fine of $500 on Jamie Whincup.

Edited by RallyRed, 13 October 2016 - 03:18 PM.