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#1 adrianh08

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 11:03 AM

How do I go about fitting big HSV brakes to the front of my LX torana?

The rear is a no brainer as I will give them to the guy building the diff ill be getting and I assume that is straight forward, but what do I have to do stub axles wise to fit the commodore brakes onto the front?

They are off a VE clubsport if that makes any difference in terms of what needs to be done.

Just deciding if I should keep the brakes I have off my donor car or sell them and get a full set of wilwood instead.

Any advice is appreciated. 



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 11:26 AM

Most kits have hub adaptors like vt brakes on vk so should be something out there if not will be an alternative disc/caliper combination.

 

Had 330mm discs (vs hsv) with twin piston c5(??) calipers on hub adaptors...overkill in 5 litre lc gtr but commodore pattern wheel choice is a pain.

 

 

Work out what wheels you want to use,the stud pattern,offsets then see if something if a kit is available



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 08:38 PM

Good advice, thanks mate.

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:51 PM

You'll have to custom fit everything

And run odd offset wheels



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 07:21 AM

I actually spent a bit of time looking at doing this many moons ago.

For starters you will need hub adaptors.

But they will have to be made specially because the VE has a larger stud size than the earlier models.

Or get blank rotors with the smaller size holes drilled.

The VE rotor has a lot less offset from the hub face to the disc than earlier models,

One advantage of that is you wont have the dramas of calipers fouling the suspension as there is significantly more clearnace.

The disadvantage will be the complexity of the adaptor plate for the calipers.

I did a rough design of the adaptor plate and my concern was that it seemed too small on the mounting area on the stubs.

Then there will be finding wheels that fit.

That may not be an issue if you are doing front and rear, but finding offsets that suit the application may be more difficult.

As Datto said everything will have to be made to suit.



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 07:54 AM

Thanks guys.

 

It appears to be more trouble than it is worth.

 

I think I will go with buying Willwoods allround and sell the HSV brakes to someone with a VE that wants to upgrade their brakes.

 

I appreciate everyone's help.



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 09:28 AM

Ask Datto about Willwoods.



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:15 PM

Just depends on what your goals are with the car to how much trouble it is.
If you find the right machinist its not that big an issue.
Know of someone who is going through the process of fitting them to a hq, he is a machinist himself.

I have had custom hubs, hats, mounts, wheels made on my own car, i actually didnt think it was that bad, if you get the right people to talk to and they know what you want.

It does take time, dont think you can hand this stuff over to someone and its done in a week.

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 12:49 PM

Datto, what is your take on the willwood set up front and rear? Ive been told you are the one to ask?



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 01:09 PM

Go hoppers stoppers or some already made known proven kit to suit wheels you want.

 

The 330mm twin piston setups with rear discs are damn good in light torrie..anything more really is for track car or show.

 

Mine was custom kit,it was nice just hated limited wheel choice.



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Posted 03 February 2017 - 08:59 PM

Datto, what is your take on the willwood set up front and rear? Ive been told you are the one to ask?

 

Whats your intended purpose with the car ?

Whats your budget ?

How much can you do yourself ?



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Posted 04 February 2017 - 01:14 PM

Street/Elite show car then being driven more. Some driving events at certain shows such as go to woah.
Putting in an LS3 so will need to upgrade brakes to satisfy engineer. Can do all installation myself. Worked out front and rears and master all wilwood will be a bit over $3000.
What are your thoughts mate?

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

What are the engineers requirements ?



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Posted 04 February 2017 - 04:46 PM

Nothing specific so far apart from "significantly upgrading the braking system"
To a certain point I'm also going for the aesthetics of them looking awesome through a set of billet wheels that will show them off too.
If there was a cheaper option for bigger brakes with slotted rotors that looked the goods as well I'd be more than willing to consider them as well.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 06:34 PM

Cheaper... probably not... unless your buying second hand

Work better... definatly... but seems you won't be using them in anger anyway

 

Anyone got detailed pics of the VE stuff ?

Caliper mountings etc?

I've sold many a disc and pads but never looked too closely at a caliper

 

Wilwood are cheap... cause they are... cheap.... but many people like that yankee look to things that don't work very well

But looks like your not going to push them anyway so they would be fine for your requirements.



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Posted 04 February 2017 - 09:27 PM

I've literally just finished pulling the 360mm 4 piston AP racing HSV brakes off the clubsport I'm parting out. Can send you numerous photos of you'd like. Basically mount to the stub axle with two bolts on the side of the stub axle. Huge great things on a floating disc which actually came off fairly easily. Super brakes just wish they were not so wrong to go on the Torana.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 10:48 PM

The hsv brakes are overkill for what you want, will be too much effort for the reault your after.
As far as im aware the clubbys never had a floating disc, the gts's do.
360mm disc with caliper, wheel diameter becomes an issue.

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 02:33 PM

18" wheel will work on some combos like that.. I have 360 mm discs and 8 piston Brembos and they fit under 18" wheels...but couldn't go any smaller of course. (And some style of wheels in 18 may not clear either as well)



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:23 PM

Hi all i have put ve commodore disc calipers and modified hubs on my fj holden with a uc torana front end. I am using 18x8 inch commodore wheels. The problem is when the wheels are on left or right lock the wheel hits the top of the uca ( the front of the uca). Before steering stops touch lca. The steering arms miss the steering stop by 15mm. The only way to fix it would be to use H series stubs which will drop the car by 20mm and the wheels get moore  clearance to miss the uca or weld a 15mm block on to the steering stop on the lca will lose may be 1/4 of turn in steering. Thanks Gary. 

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 06:44 AM

I have just finished this very same up grade on one of my LH's with standard stubs 

The 6lt project 

HSV AP VE Brakes and rotors with 18 x 8 and 10 inch FR simmions wheels with no flairs and custom made hubs 

Yes it can be done 

it takes time and someone that knows what they are doing plus finding the right people that are willing to help

i went to many places to get this done and they all said no it cant be done including Tempe Tyres who sell the wheels and said i need a min of 19 inch wheels 

i had arguments with them that it would fit and just told them to make the wheels to my specs but they refused to do so 

so i went else where

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