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[StephenSLR]

There is a lithium mine only ten kays from here. Trust me. There will always be lots of emissions. And not just from the coal fired power stations.

 

Indeed, electric power isn't 100% clean energy.

 

Manufacturing an electric car isn't environmentally friendly either. This is why current cars on the road be naturally phased out, there will be no ban on driving petrol cars. If there is any ban it will be a ban on manufacturing new petrol cars then the public either buy a new electric car or a second hand petrol one.

 

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[cameron]

I think the vast majority of the public are in for a big shock as to what is going to happen over the next decade with cars. Once the big manufactures get moving (such as Toyota) the whole market will completely change.

Performance vehicles also will break new ground and smash performance records that we struggled to improve on with ICE power.

 

As far as fossil fuel vehicles.

They don't have to get into the political footy of banning ICE vehicles from the road. All ICE vehicles will be made unfeasible and unuseable as the evolution and the proliferation of zero emission vehicles grows. That explosive growth will certainly kill off petrol stations. These will be replaced by charging stations / hydrogen refuelling stations.

 

You will simply not find petrol as we know it today and oil companies will no doubt either fold or join the zero emissions juggernaut. Even hotrodding old cars will be forced into zero emission engines. For us speed heads its business as usual.

 

Cameron

Edited by cameron, 24 February 2018 - 01:10 AM.

[StephenSLR]

I think the vast majority of the public are in for a big shock as to what is going to happen over the next decade with cars.

 

It'll be just like what we saw in the USA after their petrol crisis; the gas guzzling yank tank 'batmobiles' disappeared, people still own them today but when was the last time one was manufactured?

 

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[cameron]

Unlike here fuel is cheap in the USA hence why all the top selling vehicles are petrol full sized pickup trucks. The gas guzzling yank tank 'batmobiles' might have disappeared but have been replaced with 900,000 per year of F series pickup truck that at around 5000lb curb weight is certainly no corolla.

 

2017 Top 3 Usa

 

1. Ford F-series (896,764 sold)

2. Chevrolet Silverado (585,864 sold) ...

3. Ram Pickup (500,723 sold) ...

 

Australia Best selling cars of 2017 

1. Toyota HiLux – 47,093 

2. Ford Ranger – 42,728 

3. Toyota Corolla – 37,353

 

 

Cameron

Edited by cameron, 24 February 2018 - 02:11 AM.

[StephenSLR]

The gas guzzling yank tank 'batmobiles' might have disappeared but have been replaced with 900,000 per year of F series pickup truck that at around 5000lb curb weight is certainly no corolla.

 

Yeah, their fuel crisis didn't last long, just look at what their 70's muscle cars were replaced with in the 80's; they were trying to compete with the Jap cars that the general public were favouring.

 

As for the large pick-ups, 4wd's , SUV's, etc. I can't explain where society went wrong. lol. One guess is; as people got bigger they didn't like to bend down much to fit into a car, it was easier for them to step up into one.

 

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[axistr]

I can see myself in an electric car in the not to distant future. I have found interest in the Tesla S. I defently wont be buying some green looking eco puss box that some manufactures are currently making. If they make nice looking practical performance vehicles I'm in. The fact is I will not retire my current M3 for a Nissan leaf or Toyota Prius. If I buy a batter box its got to have at the least the power and handling of my current vehicles.  M3 0-100kph 4.7s Tesla S 100D 2.7s  And as expensive as they are the Tesla is the only one that currently meets and exceeds the performance, and still doesn't look out of place.

 

Its a pity that are just a bit expensive for the average Joe at the moment, but competition will fix that over the next decade. I think they need to make electric vehicles that don't look to different to current main stream cars and they will see a major sales increase. Look what happen to Ford with the AU it was the start of the end for them trying to move to quick in future styling.       

[StephenSLR]

Its a pity that are just a bit expensive for the average Joe at the moment, but competition will fix that over the next decade.

 

Indeed, just wait the the Asians get hold of it; I do hope the cheaper ones look tough though. Paying 6 figures for a cool car won't convince me to go electric.

 

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[Toranamat69]

No reason you can't re-power existing cars with electric.  Plenty done already.

 

I have had plans to do that to my LC 2 door for ages.  Rebuilding my LX again atm though so won't be anytime soon.

[Indy Orange]

Oh just great! By the time I have my car eventually restored, it will be nothing more than a museum piece that I can't drive ,should I stop now and save for a electric vehicle?

[Toranamat69]

I was thinking I need to store a couple of 44 gallon drums of it in the shed so I can actually try mine out by the time I finish :-)

[Indy Orange]

Yeah but it goes off.

[cameron]

No need to fret. Sure your ice powered car is about to be made as useful as a hood ornament, because fuel is no longer available (service stations will "only sell electricity"). However we have at least a decade before this becomes noticeable and at least two decades before fuel is just another page in history books.

 

A simple not so convenient solution is to just make your own homemade "jungle juice".

 

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I do think however that although its a dead insignificant industry at this moment, the electric car industry will explode much faster than anyone is predicting. IMO because of what it will allow us to do (engineering much higher safety, driverless, traffic management etc) it will become the biggest change in automotive transport since we swapped from the horse and cart.

 

Cameron

[StephenSLR]

No need to fret. Sure your ice powered car is about to be made as useful as a hood ornament, because fuel is no longer available (service stations will "only sell electricity"). However we have at least a decade before this becomes noticeable and at least two decades before fuel is just another page in history books.

 

Considering how many years you get from an i.c. engine and there's no word on any ban on making them yet; it'll probably be at least ten years after they stop making them but it could also go the way HDTV did. Once that craze hit people were throwing out their CRT TV's and very few were buying them up 2nd hand, it'll  depend on how cheap the elec. cars are as to how quick people will take to it.

 

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[cameron]

I agree its all about price. That will determine the timeline of when electric cars will hit critical mass. $200k+ electric cars are of little relevancy to the success of zero emissions cars. Much like vhs, dvd or analog, digital TV the pricing, models, options and market saturation will change very fast and I believe it will catch many by surprise. With the rise in personal home solar installations and the pricing for installation/equipment having fallen to affordable pricing consumers have yet another driver to make going to an electric car more viable.

 

The exorbitant variable price of fuel in Oz is a significant cost that people with solar can also avoid. I have had both my work and home fitted with solar and its nearly 3/4 paid for in just over 3yrs. Storage is still however not price viable so its painful seeing my excess going back to the grid for peanuts.

 

Registered fossil fuel cars will not be banned but no doubt new sales at some point will be.

 

Cameron

[Indy Orange]

So there's an estimated 1 billion cars in use on the planet now,and I assume with population growth the more cars will be in use ,so with electric cars that's a lot of batteries,is it any "greener" ?

[cameron]

That's not applicable for cars. Lithium is just a very very very interim solution.

By 2020 storage will be via Graphene Semiconductors.

 

Cameron

 

So there's an estimated 1 billion cars in use on the planet now,and I assume with population growth the more cars will be in use ,so with electric cars that's a lot of batteries,is it any "greener" ?

[Redzone]

You guys are forgetting ethanol based fuels and how easy it is to make ethanol from many different types of organic matter, like food scraps etc. Just because they may ban fossil fuels doesn't mean we can't convert our noise makers to run on alcohol.

[StephenSLR]

You guys are forgetting ethanol based fuels and how easy it is to make ethanol from many different types of organic matter

 

It's one reason corn, corn flakes, etc. are so expensive in the USA, they're using corn to produce ethanol and it's bumping up the price.

 

Along with HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) replacing in a lot of their food so they get away with 'low sugar' labels on their products but they're high in HFCS.

 

I guess that affects the price of bourbon. :(

 

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[cameron]

SEAT announces all-electric touring car

 

 

 

SEAT has unveiled imagery of an all-electric powered Cupra E-Racer touring car ahead of its full unveiling at the Geneva International Motor Show next week.

The car will feature an electric motor capable of peak power in the region of 670bhp, sent to the rear wheels.

The Spanish car company’s announcement follows a statement last week from the promoters of TCR of its intentions to run an E TCR series.

Though details on the new series are scarce, Seat says the Leon Cupra E-Racer is built to the proposed category’s regulations.

“This is a true motorsports car,” said president of Seat, Luca de Meo.

“It is the first electric, racing, touring car in the world.

 

“We thought racing should be efficient and clean, and by introducing a new and revolutionary car like this we want to send, to the racing world, an important message.

“It is possible, it is spectacular and this is also a lot of fun.”

SEAT already competes with the Leon Cupra, and will this year field three cars in the World Touring Car Cup, the competition which has taken over from the World Touring Car Championship.

 

 

Cameron