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Posted 28 May 2017 - 05:28 AM

original adelaide built LC XU-1.. no masking under heater box or fan on ALL cars.. and its satin black.. and rest of pics are all original cars....

My 5/70 lc gtr had blue black boot engine bay,

my 4/70 brizzy seabring was the same.

boot pic is of a 9.70 adelaide built xu-1.. blue black

73 lj engine bay.. blue black.

Ive pulled apart a few of these cars.. seems the GTRs had mainly blue black engine bays and the xu had black.. ALL boots were blue black....

It wasnt GLOSS either.. very dull, unpolished off the gun..

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 08:39 AM

Hi James, I've seen some Adelaide cars grey in the engine bay & boot, black in engine bay & grey in the boot & black in both. Slightly different colour to the brisbane engine bay. & 73 brisbane slightly lighter than 72 brisbane engine bay & boot area. I would use the spectrometer on your area under the heater box if you can, you need roughly 60mm diameter,flat edge & not scratched to get the most accurate mix. PM me your mobile number mate, i can talk about it more with you if you like, Gary.


Thanks for the offer grumpy, but I mixed some paint and colour matched it by eye myself a few years ago to the formula I previously mentioned. I painted from the lip where the wiring harness runs along the firewall forward and left the area around the heater box and wiper in the factory finish. The result was quite good. See my thread about minimum bonnet clearance to air box for a few photos.

While I was at it I mixed up a separate colour to match the grey on the bonnet hinge springs prior to stripping them, again this gave another great result.

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 08:44 AM

Maybe it is a duel cast thing?


I assume that you're joking about this Craig, but either way the answer to this comment is "no".

As Mike says just spray acrylic gloss off the gun and don't polish it, just wax it, job done

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 06:30 PM

1 way that crabba & us are all the same is we're all human, & we all make mistakes or get things wrong occasionally, it's actually good to find out we're wrong sometimes to learn the correct way ect. That's part of life. I've been wrong plenty of times & some things Anthony has said have been spot on, others not so. That's just how it goes, live & learn, Gary.

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 06:45 PM

Live & learn what and what is incorrect Gary or is Danny.



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Posted 28 May 2017 - 07:03 PM

It's Gary, Anthony. & his computer will not let him set up a profile, so he shares mine. If you read what i have written, i was coming to everyone's defence including yours. I don't like to get on here starting shit, matter of fact it's the 1 reason people leave this forum voluntarily. Gary.

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 07:57 PM

Well said Gary.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:29 AM

It's Gary, Anthony. & his computer will not let him set up a profile, so he shares mine. If you read what i have written, i was coming to everyone's defence including yours. I don't like to get on here starting shit, matter of fact it's the 1 reason people leave this forum voluntarily. Gary.

 

Gary, I totally agree with you.

 

However, this particular individual, although often on the money and very knowledgeable, has a history of making stuff up to suit his own theories.

 

Hence my questioning of his photo which immediately struck me as not being what he said it was (original paint).

 

And JD LJ, yes I am totally joking about this being a duel cast thing.

 

Lots of assumptions have been made about what the multiple castings on some engine blocks refer to.

 

I am not convinced that the dual(duel) casting on a 6 cylinder block means anything significant.

 

It would be interesting if it does mean something but no one has come forward (afaik) with anything more than speculation and educated guesses.

 

That's fair enough, that's how investigations go, but its not true until you find proof, or from a scientific perspective, until you fail to disprove your theory.

 

To get things back on track though, I've read all sorts of different things about what colour of the paint in the boot and under the bonnet.

 

I've heard the mixing of black and a bit of white, I've read about the slops bucket, I've read it was different at the different plants.

 

One thing I haven't read is that it was glossy. Yes it may look better, but that's not how they were.

 

My car is a dull black, but the paint is at least 30 years old, so it may have been satin or semi gloss, or even Warrigal black to start with.

 

However, I am also pretty sure I read in the Warrigal Black LJ thread that the blackouts are visible on those cars, which suggests on those cars at least, the blackouts were not Warrigal Black.

 

Its one of those things that seems to vary from plant to plant, and also seems to have changed over time which means it is very hard to get a definitive answer.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 10:54 AM

Hi Craig, let me start by saying from the car's i have been able to look at I've noticed the following.
My 9/72's engine bay, floor pan & boot was certainly a little more black than a late 72 & 4/73 all were Brisbane built, actually checked them against jet black (warrigal) & the colour is quite noticeably different.

My friend has a 9/72 Adelaide & it was black in the boot & engine bay, as are 5 Adelaide cars in his town (fact) we have checked it against gmh nos colour swatches & it is not warrigal either. But it is a more pure black than the Brisbane car's I've been able to check out. We have established a mix for his car already, but are yet to get mine exact. Lc's seem to be slightly different in the paint inside the plenum.

Both were checked out in places where the blaster had missed & the paint stayed in tact, & both cars were a semi gloss finish in the hidden spots like under heater box ect. I am not saying that "every" car was like that from the factory, just that that is how "our" cars were from new, & they will be done back exactly to that finish. So although it's not quite an exact science, there wasn't 50 shades of black used on them at gmh, I have spent a long time cleaning up and looking for anything with original paint on it to check them, against swatches ect & come to my conclusion, although trade qualified i can only speak for my own parts, as stated i can be wrong like anyone. As for another black on the car both Anthony & Byron were spot on about it & I've spectro'd the colour to spray and check the mix in 2 pack. I have no problem with Anthony or other forum members. I enjoy reading the forum and learning more on these cars. Gary.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:58 PM

grumpy xu1 do you have a pic of the 9/72 adelaide black boot or the 5 adelaide cars in town.


Edited by XU-1 RAT, 30 May 2017 - 01:09 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:11 PM

I'll put my 2c worth in on this topic.

 

The slops bucket is very real & seems to be worse at Pagewood more than the other plants, especially in the mid-60s.

 

Another thing here is that with the larger Holdens (HK> etc.) the premium models (Brougham, GTS 350 etc.) had the under-bonnet etc. painted gloss Warrigal Black, whereas the lesser models Belmont, Kingwood, Premier etc. had the satin finish slops. This may be the same with GTRs at one of the plants, I don't know.

 

I think by the 1970s the slops colour variation wasn't as bad as earlier cars. I've seen original EH & HR Holdens with under-bonnets painted almost a green or blue. This doesn't seem that bad from 1970 onwards.

 

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:50 PM

xu1rat The only LJ gtr or xu1 built at Adelaide with a warrigal gloss black boot was/is 1A gtr 

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:36 PM

Anthony i can promise you that his car "is" factory black in the boot end of story, rat his boot has now been fully paint stripped since we identified the mix, can get a photo of an Adelaide lc 4 door black factory boot if really needed. I'm about to can membership on this forum over tossers who have no automotive paint experience giving there bullshit assumptions, where on earth can you find the information stating that it would never come with the black boot ?

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 05:58 PM

I think Anthony may be tossing it up Gary.

that 1A car was recently sold if I recall correctly. I'm  assuming the old owner suggested that it was 100% original ( or whatever)...and people have drawn the conclusion that the boot paint was therefore as per factory. 

I'm not saying it is/isnt...but 



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 06:21 PM

His little red head friend knows that the car is original, frankly i couldn't give a shit anymore though. I'd be happy enough to finish mine & let it sit in the shed forever & just drive it around locally. No more help from me now mate.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 08:24 PM

Cmon Gary dont be like that i like the info you supply

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 09:14 PM

Cmon Gary dont be like that i like the info you supply..

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 09:18 PM

Cmon Gary dont be like that i like the info you supply


I'm sure Gary will be back. He just is 'grumpy' from time to time

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:16 PM

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:38 PM

Just had a number of calls tonight from forum members in regards to smart ass Gary Fords comments.

Who the hell do you think you are Gary to mention me into a forum discussion, when I have not commented and couldn't care less?  I have not been on the forum for years and this sort of bullshit attitude and comment is the reason why.

 

If you've got a comment to make about me or to me, you pick up the phone.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:52 PM

Gary,I'm not sure what's going on but only trying to help!You maybe looking at the black painted in from rear beaver panel when spraying the blackouts here is a picture of 950A which i think is close to your friends....also a standard one without the blackouts painted .

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