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[RallyRed]

Regarding the above, inspections etc.

My understanding in NSW is that the clubs may sign off on Historic / Original cars, but the ownes is always on the ""registered operator""(owner) to ensure that is meets the conditions for rego.

[77lx308]

Yes ultimately responsibility for adherence to the rules is that of the car owner.

[RallyRed]

Hi TBM,

My understanding is that the cars may be presented to the club for assesment /inspection , as to the eligibility to be CRS regoe'd.

I think that  is more about the club being satisfied that the car is suitable ( in thier view) for the rego.

The ""inspection"" is typically carried out by club members who check the basics. It is always the Registered Operator's ( owner's) accountability to make sure it is roadworthy etc.

 

The club people may well have no technical assesment qualifications, they are just acting in their capacity as members. IMHO

[StephenSLR]

My understanding in NSW is that the clubs may sign off on Historic / Original cars, but the onus is always on the owner to ensure that it meets the conditions for rego.

 

What's the latest with the NSW scheme, last I recall they were going to have 60 and 90 day versions and you could drive anywhere, anytime not only sanctioned events?

 

So the gist of it is, you join a car club; do you still need to notify the club prior or keep a log of every drive you take?

 

s

[RallyRed]

What's the latest with the NSW scheme, last I recall they were going to have 60 and 90 day versions and you could drive anywhere, anytime not only sanctioned events?

 

So the gist of it is, you join a car club; do you still need to notify the club prior or keep a log of every drive you take?

 

s

For normal club use of Conditionally Registered Historic cars, , most clubs like to be advance notified that you are on the particular club run. That way the club can respond positively to any issues that may arise. i..e the car is a club car, and is on an authorised event/run.

Rego and Greenslip is then validated as being in play. (remembering that the purpose of the rego is to participate in club events).

A club log book is often filled out.

 

Once you are a club member, and have a car that is Conditionally Registered as a Historic Vehicle, via that club , ....then,  you can approach the RMS to be part of the 60 day trial. The RMS issues a seperate log book, that as above must be filled out as part of the use rules.

Some clubs still like to be notified of intended car use ( courtesy), I believe other clubs dont .

The 60 day trial allows personal ( non club use) for up to 60 days per year. i.e. going to the shops, going to Darwin, whatever.

Dont know anything about 90 days.

 

I understand that all of the above would equally apply to the proposed CVS ( Modified Historics) as well.

All IMHO.

 

There may be a club registrar etc out there who wishes to comment further?

Edited by RallyRed, 01 July 2017 - 09:50 PM.

[StephenSLR]

I understand that all of the above would equally apply to the proposed CVS ( Modified Historics) as well.

All IMHO.

 

There may be a club registrar etc out there who wishes to comment further?

 

Ah yes, when the modified ruling was about to come in was the last time I looked into it as prior, the club I had approached regarding a Historic for my Mustang said my 17" wheels were too big. I thought best to let the scheme sort out all the teething problems before I went any further.  I do go to events but don't want to lose the freedom of personal trips.

 

s
 

Edited by StephenSLR, 02 July 2017 - 07:41 AM.

[StephenSLR]

I see a falcon on H plates with 18or20" chrome wheels being driven to his work place everyday

Go figure that one

 

It all depends on the club, some are more lenient than others. The way it was explained to me, let's say someone from the Morris Minor club is pissed they have to follow the rules strictly, if they see a car that's not 'period correct' they can report it and the RMS will revoke the club's licence. The rules state the car has to be the way it came from factory or modified with period correct parts. The largest diameter rim the Mustang came out with in the 60's was 15", he said he may let 16" slide but 17" was just too obvious.  Also that Falcon may not have informed his club of his modification.

 

Hence why I'm more interested in the 'modified' option, my car has quite a few mods.

 

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[Redslur]

Club rego is so contentious. And open to so much interpretation.  I have never gone down the path of having it for the fear someone would whinge in some capacity if something wasn't spot on..

[StephenSLR]

Club rego is so contentious. And open to so much interpretation.  I have never gone down the path of having it for the fear someone would whinge in some capacity if something wasn't spot on..

 

Same here, I don't want to one day unexpectedly lose the rego when I need to drive most and have to go through blue slip bs to get back on the road.

 

s

Edited by StephenSLR, 02 July 2017 - 07:14 PM.

[jd lj]

Last year I looked into the 60 day log book scheme in Nsw, it was only just coming into effect. I asked at the rms about it stating that I don't expect full historic rego due to a few mods. The young women asked what was modified, to which I said the brakes and carburettors, she said she didn't see that as a problem, I doubt she knew what a carburettor was.

Next I asked the club that I was a member of who said that I have to wait for the modified scheme because my car was too modified, no one knew when this was going to start.

What constitutes a modification? Do things like a bigger cam, head work, big sump, koni shocks and better suspension springs all need to be taken into consideration? The driveline is all correct GMH LJ Torana items (all date coded correctly too for that matter), but all improved/modified, where do you draw the line of what counts as a modification. If you don't have NOS spark plugs but have fancy iridium plugs would that be a modification, obviously that's an example of going to far.

I wouldn't drive my LJ 20 times a year and no longer have time to be part of a club, some clubs state that you must attend a certain number of events per year and meetings, I start work too early in the morning to worry about going to meetings during the night an hours drive away in Sydney and family commitments mean that I never made it to many runs, partly due to the majority of them being so far from me in the opposite direction. So because of this I'm left paying around 1k per year for full rego and less than 20 drives roughly.

Well there's my rant on the subject.

[StephenSLR]

some clubs state that you must attend a certain number of events per year and meetings, I start work too early in the morning to worry about going to meetings during the night an hours drive away in Sydney and family commitments mean that I never made it to many runs

 

Ask around, they don't all have min. no. of meets, etc. Some will also sanction other events though I'm not sure if that counts toward the tally.

 

s

[RallyRed]

all this stuff is far from black  and white.....

 

Remembering rego of any sort, is still rego......have a look at this.....its an eye opener -

 

http://www.rms.nsw.g...difications.pdf

[rexy]

Last year I looked into the 60 day log book scheme in Nsw, it was only just coming into effect. I asked at the rms about it stating that I don't expect full historic rego due to a few mods. The young women asked what was modified, to which I said the brakes and carburettors, she said she didn't see that as a problem, I doubt she knew what a carburettor was.
Next I asked the club that I was a member of who said that I have to wait for the modified scheme because my car was too modified, no one knew when this was going to start.
What constitutes a modification? Do things like a bigger cam, head work, big sump, koni shocks and better suspension springs all need to be taken into consideration? The driveline is all correct GMH LJ Torana items (all date coded correctly too for that matter), but all improved/modified, where do you draw the line of what counts as a modification. If you don't have NOS spark plugs but have fancy iridium plugs would that be a modification, obviously that's an example of going to far.
I wouldn't drive my LJ 20 times a year and no longer have time to be part of a club, some clubs state that you must attend a certain number of events per year and meetings, I start work too early in the morning to worry about going to meetings during the night an hours drive away in Sydney and family commitments mean that I never made it to many runs, partly due to the majority of them being so far from me in the opposite direction. So because of this I'm left paying around 1k per year for full rego and less than 20 drives roughly.
Well there's my rant on the subject.

Your problems are easily solved.
Move to Victoria. Relatively painless to get yourself on a H or M plate depending on how modified it is. Even if it's spastically modded there is always the street rod scheme.
About $70 for 45 days per year of unrestricted hassle free driving where and when you like.

[StephenSLR]

Your problems are easily solved.
Move to Victoria.

 

... and amass a plethora of other problems?

 

Nope!

 

s

Edited by StephenSLR, 03 July 2017 - 08:18 AM.

[Statler]

Who was saying that Qld was 2 steps behind?

 

Late model engine, 9", T-5, blower, Simmons, drop tank, SIVS rego no problem!

 

I view the term 'historic' to mean cars with wood spoke rims. Not a 6cyl auto XB Plalcon!

 

Could the solution be as simple as changing the terminology? 

[StephenSLR]

I view the term 'historic' to mean cars with wood spoke rims.

 

That would be 'vintage'.

 

You're showing your age; as the song goes:

 

She hates time make it stop
When did Motley Crue become classic rock?
And when did Ozzy become an actor?
Please make this
Stop! Stop! Stop!
And bring back

Springsteen, Madonna
Way before Nirvana
There was U2 and Blondie
And music still on MTV

Her two kids in high school
They tell her that she's uncool
But she's still preoccupied
With 19, 19, 1985
 

lol

 

s

Edited by StephenSLR, 03 July 2017 - 10:17 AM.

[77lx308]

In WA suspension, brake, wheel size and engine mods will definitely count you out of club rego.

A lot of clubs add their own rules - they would like folks making use of their club rego privilages to be an active member of the club. Otherwise they are held responsible for any dimwit who wants to abuse the system. Also why should they have to process paperwork etc for someone who is just using the club for cheap rego? Understandable from the clubs point of view.

Bring on the SA system!

[StephenSLR]

In WA suspension, brake, wheel size and engine mods will definitely count you out of club rego.

 

All that counts me out if it's the same in NSW.

 

s

[mandytory]

Well it seems I poked a hornets nest with this topic. Fantastic feedback everyone . So what can we do especially here in Qld to get a fair and reasonable outcome. Has anyone got experience and advice in dealing with their state govt. And what would be the optimal scheme ( now I'm sure this will be controversial ) that we would like to see. First off my title of Historic Rego is misleading , perhaps Classic is better for our cars. Put forward your wishlist and keep it reasonable please. Now if only there was a senator from a motoring group in parliament who could speak up for like minded individuals.........😆

[hanra]

Well realistically in FNQ, you can only drive an un-airconditioned vehicle about 3-4 months of the year. And you are generally mowing your lawn every weekend, so that only leaves Sunday to go for a cruise. How many Sundays in 4 months? Id be happy with that amount of days "free driving". 

[77lx308]

And if you are worried about rego - it gets worse.

 

In WA we do not have to put our cars over the pits every year - and that is another topic of discussion - however it has now emerged that the Licensing dept has now taken to sending out seemingly random notices to folks with steel bumpers with the renewal. Basically saying that you need to bring your car over the pits before you can renew. This - needless to say - is causing a little bit of angst. First off is the question of how they are selecting their candidates to get the notice and of course why the are being singled out. Lots of rumours going about that licensing staff are attending car events and if they dont like the look of a car they are sending a notice with the next renewal - or they could just be trolling facebook. Of course only steel bumpers seem to be affected. Fun times!