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#1 _Wayne78_

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 12:34 PM

Hi 

 

I am new to this forum and wondering if someone can help with finding out more about a VIN check I am trying to do for a LH torana SL that my Dad just purchased in Bali.

The numbers are as follows: 8C69EFC2313570 

Files are attached.

 

When I have typed the codes into the VIN check on holdentorana.com it shows an error under Assembly plant & Model code is this common?

 

Any information on this would be helpful.

 

Thanks



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:38 AM

Either the numbers have been recorded incorrectly or this vehicle was built in a factory outside Australia, so therefore used a different VIN numbering system.

 

The first 5 digits say that it is a 4 -door LH SL with a low compression 2850 6-cyl. That part is probably correct.

 

The 6th digit (F) is the model year which this case would be 1976, which in reality is between 1/9/75 & 31/8/76. Again probably OK. From there on is get strange.

 

Virtually all Australian-built LH Toranas were made in Melbourne which means that the 7th & 8th digit would between J1 & J9, but for an overseas build I don't know.

 

In Australian built LH Toranas the 14th (last digit) should be an M for Melbourne, but again this would be different for overseas builds.

 

Sorry I can't be more helpful if it is an export build, but info on that stuff is very scarce.

 

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:44 AM

Apart from the fact that it is an assembly line, what does the J stand for if it was in Dandenong?



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:14 PM

Apart from the fact that it is an assembly line, what does the J stand for if it was in Dandenong?

I've have no idea, it's just an internal company code.

 

The way it is listed by GM-H is:-

 

H1 to H4 - Acacia Ridge, Brisbane, Qld

H5 to H9 - Pagewood, Sydney, NSW

J1 to J9 - Dandenong, Melbourne, Vic

L1 to L5 - Elizabeth, Adelaide, SA

L6 to L9 - Mosman Park, Perth, WA (after the Perth plant closed in 1973 ??, L6-L9 referred t Adelaide)

 

 

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:30 PM

Hi Dr Terry

 

I may be wrong but I believe Mossman Park ceased production around the 10 month 1972.

 

Information I have read suggests that General Motors had a VAP in Indonesia.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:47 PM

Please excuse my ignorance, but VAP?
Were the ones in Indonesia, New Zealand, and South Africa just assembly plants to put together the CKD kits brought in from Aus, or did they produce cars in their own right? There were another 55 countries that Holdens were imported into. Did they all come from Australia?

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

Please excuse my ignorance, but VAP?
Were the ones in Indonesia, New Zealand, and South Africa just assembly plants to put together the CKD kits brought in from Aus, or did they produce cars in their own right? There were another 55 countries that Holdens were imported into. Did they all come from Australia?

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All GMH 's plants in Australia were referred to as VAP's however some of them merely completed the assembly of bodies produced in other plants. I cannot see why it is not valid to refer to any plant that assembles vehicles as a VAP?



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:06 PM

How many plants manufactured components?

If you are still reading this Wayne, has it got a Body plate, Compliance plate or Chassis No.? The files you attached never made it through.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:07 PM

Hi Dr Terry

 

I may be wrong but I believe Mossman Park ceased production around the 10 month 1972.

 

Information I have read suggests that General Motors had a VAP in Indonesia.

Yes, that may be correct, which is why I said "1973 ??"

 

AFAIK GM-H had VAP plants in The Philippines, Indonesia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan & Trinidad & Tobago. 

 

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 05:09 PM

Please excuse my ignorance, but VAP?
Were the ones in Indonesia, New Zealand, and South Africa just assembly plants to put together the CKD kits brought in from Aus, or did they produce cars in their own right? There were another 55 countries that Holdens were imported into. Did they all come from Australia?
 

AFAIK, at its peak (late 60s, early 70s) GM-H exported fully built vehicles to 78 countries.

 

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:41 PM

Thanks so much for the responses & information guys its very informative. Sorry plates now attached and some photos of the car.  :spoton:

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:01 PM

some more photos attached

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:19 PM

Nice, What is that circular reservoir next to the radiator hose? 



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:54 PM

It's a power steering pump, but doesn't look like anything of 70's vintage.

 

That's a tidy looking example of a Torana but it's obviously been messed with, and with those plates being hand stamped I'd say all bets are off, could have been anybody stamping whatever they wanted on a blank plate?



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:18 AM

The rivets are good for a '76 Andrew. I'd say blank ones were attached to the firewall before leaving Australia and then stamped by the relevant authorities in Indonesia.

Does that paint code make any sense to you? It may also be a bit difficult getting it rego'd in WA without a compliance plate. (Can be done in Victoria)



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:35 AM

The trim is obviously 18V - Slate Black Vinyl but I can't make sense of that paint code, doesn't seem to have any relation to either the GMH, Dulon or Berger codes so I'm thinking it may be a local paint supplier's code from whichever country it came from? Especially so if it was actually built overseas.

 

Are Indonesian cars RHD?

 

If you ever removed those tags it would be interesting to see if the numbers were stamped while they were on the car, it's a fair bet that the impression would've gone through the alloy plate into the metal underneath?

 

EDIT: Never mind, OP said it came from Bali.

 

I wonder what happened to the heater core?

 

EDIT AGAIN: Hang on, the Body Plate says "MADE IN AUSTRALIA"?


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:44 AM

I'd bet those plates were on the car when stamped. Indo cars are right hand drive. I went to a car show in Bali a few weeks ago and never even thought about looking at the tags. Mind you I was ropeable because I had left my camera back at the apartment!!!

What are you doing up anyway? It must be half past tomorrow over there.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:04 AM

No way those plates were rivetted to a piece of 1mm steel sheet metal when stamped and come out looking like that.  They were done against a hard heavy flat backing when they were stamped.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 08:42 AM

The power steering pump if that's what its driving, looks like an Asin pump commonly fitted to Toyota  vehicles, Crown, Hilux, Hiace and others.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:12 AM

No way those plates were rivetted to a piece of 1mm steel sheet metal when stamped and come out looking like that.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Plates supplied separately with the CKD body then? 



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

also the ENG  TRANS sections are blank which supports the theory that they were supplied blank to be stamped by the assy plant in INDO



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:48 AM

Very interesting for sure.  We need to see a few more plates from some overseas cars for comparison.

 

They would be getting pretty rare these days though.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:50 AM

But why does the plate say "MADE IN AUSTRALIA"?

 

Surely they're not allowed to have that if the car was made overseas?



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

But why does the plate say "MADE IN AUSTRALIA"?

 

Surely they're not allowed to have that if the car was made overseas?

I suppose it would depend upon what laws countries like Indonesia had concerning disclosure of country of manufacture at that time?



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:15 AM

Yes, I'd say it was assembled in Indonesia.

 

The "Made in Australia" bit is probably OK, depending on how much was manufactured here.

 

It could be that the body was welded together here & then paint, trim & final assembly was carried out in the Indo plant.

 

None of the numbers line up with Aust assembly, especially the paint & VIN numbers.

 

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