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#1 Housecat1977

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 09:36 PM

Hi,

I have a 2 door and am trying to refit the side windiw glass to the surround and am having some trouble.

I got the replacement seal from Rares that goes in between the glass and the surround my problem is, how do I get the glass in easily?

Is there a trick or is it easier just to use some black mastic sealer?

Cheers Paul


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Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:55 PM

Going to follow this one as I'll be doing it myself ,looks like a really tight fit.Is the rubber too thick?Looks like it's bunching up on the bends.

Edited by Indy Orange, 02 December 2017 - 11:59 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:59 AM

You may be onto something Paul, I did notice it bunching up but thought I managed to straighten it out when the window was in, maybe not enough though.
i’m going to go to Clark’s rubber and see if they have something thinner that I can use.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 11:18 AM

Maybe windscreen sealer ? Like to know what everyone else have used.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 11:47 AM

I ended up using Sikaflex as I couldn't trackdown any rubber that was thin enough for the job. I put a genourous bead inside the frame before fitting the window to the frame, then cleaned up the excess.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 03:29 PM

So clark rubber never had anything Tony.

How thick was the rares seal 1-1 1/2mm.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 03:41 PM

Yeah, just went to Clark Rubber and they only have the same as what I have which is 1.5mm stuff.
I remember Rares gave me the option of a thin and a thick one so will give them a call tomorry to see what they say. Otherwise, I'll be using windscreen sealer and cleaning up a big mess.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 03:58 PM

I used weather strip - u channel from clarke rubber. Fits pretty well, but is an absolute pain to get right, i used silicon spray to help it along...I can see why people opt for the sikaflex.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 04:07 PM

which order did you do it in Andrew?

Strip into the surround then slide the glass in

Or

Strip around the glass then put it all into the surround?

I did test some WD40 on the seal but that just made a black sticky mess and I didn’t think of the silicone spray.

Also, I just compared the seal with what came out of my window and they are both the same thickness, with the original being thicker in some places.


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Edited by Housecat1977, 03 December 2017 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2017 - 05:48 PM

If you go the sealant option Paul ,I would consider the old style sealant ,I wouldn't use Sika just in case you need to remove the frame at any point ,like broken glass or whatever.as Andrew said the silicone spray will help a bit with the rubber.Maybe cut pleats in the rubber where it bends and finish with the sealer.

Edited by Indy Orange, 03 December 2017 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:07 PM

Well, it has defeated me.
After an hour or so trying to fit it using the silicone spray, all I ended up with is slimy black hands. While the window initially slid in well, it wouldn’t go that last 5% to finish it off.

Looks like I’m getting some Mastic sealer tomorrow.

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 10:56 PM

I'm led to believe that they are installed by using a solvent on the rubber, and even petrol was used in the day as a suitable solvent, to make the rubber soft and slippery, and the solvent evaporation off later letting the window bond to the glass some what.

 

An old Chevy book I have shows a tool with some timber blocks and some threaded rod used to refit a quarter window glass to a window frame, similar task to what you are doing.



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:20 PM

Could you use powdered graphite ?

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:41 PM

Hi Paul,

 

Not sure how thick the Rares Spares seal is but I used 3/16 Glass setting tape from CRL + white spirits to soften the rubber.  The spirits make the rubber slippery giving you just enough time (not much) to get the frame onto the glass.  Also makes a bit of a mess!

 

http://www.crlaurenc...71&ModelID=1679

 

Cheers,

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:52 PM

Can you show us close up pics how it looks
in window Jeff when you get a little time.

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Cheers maz

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:19 PM

Almost 30 years ago a mate had a roll of rubber similar to what you got there & he said that he used petrol to soften it while fitting.
God knows if what you get now is anything like the rubber back then tho!

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:17 PM

Had a thought,could you maybe use bicycle inner tube for the gasket ? Fold it around the glass and use dishwashing liquid to slide it into the frame ,then once in ,use a scalpel to cut the excess off.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:35 PM

That could work Paul, I suppose it depends on how thick the tube is though.

I called RS here in rAdelaide and the company that they used to supply them has either gone out of business or stopped making the rubber insert. So, I decided to use mastic sealer. After a bit of stuffing around, I got the window in and it looks quite good too.
I still have to do the passenger side one so I will take a couple of pics while I do it. Hopefully I'll have less sealer on my hands next time.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:23 PM

Glad you got it sorted,I think I'll use the non hardening windscreen sealer for mine when I come to do it.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:54 PM

Can you show us close up pics how it looks
in window Jeff when you get a little time.

Admins Could make this a sticky..

Cheers maz

 

Hi Maz,

 

Here are some photos that were in my build thread until Photobucket got greedy... Are they what you're after?

 

Cheers,

Jeff

 

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:42 PM

Thanks Jeff .beautiful job

Thats exactly what i wanted to see.pics speak
a thousand words .that sealer strip glass tape has worked really well..

Pics were to mainly help others see how well
the tape fitted up...tape is plenty wide
enough too..i will b doing mine down the
track sometime but its good to ask and save
post for future references..

Thanks again Jeff...

Cheers maz

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:07 PM

Nice pics Jeff, will definitely help out for fitting them.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:12 PM

Glad you got it sorted,I think I'll use the non hardening windscreen sealer for mine when I come to do it.


Which is what "mastic" is, sodaul brand is like $5 a tube roughly mate, Gary. & a friend said Marty or Grant listed that the rubber is obtained from the USA easily before. Please DON'T use a silicone spray if you ever need to paint it, it's virtually impossible to get rid of silicone ever !




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