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#1 mandytory

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 10:38 AM

I'm interested to know what you think about some of the newer paint colours that seem very close to original Torana colours. One example is Spitfire Green on the last Hsv Commodore , seems quite similar to Panama Green. Another one that some have used is Sting Red, instead of Mandarin Red. Do you know of other examples and what about using them on Toranas. Do they look right.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:43 PM

I'm interested to know what you think about some of the newer paint colours that seem very close to original Torana colours. One example is Spitfire Green on the last Hsv Commodore , seems quite similar to Panama Green. Another one that some have used is Sting Red, instead of Mandarin Red. Do you know of other examples and what about using them on Toranas. Do they look right.

I think Hothouse Green on the VY? or V something Commodore (I'm not into late model cars) looks a bit similar to Lime Green Metallic on the LJ XU1s. There's also a plastic model Monaro in a Bronze type colour that looks similar to the LC GTR colour to me.

 

I think it would be interesting to see the cars side by side as a comparison.

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 01:42 PM

I saw a VF Clubsport the other day that looked a lot like Persian Sand and it looked ship hot in the sun.

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 02:38 PM

Some of the now older xr6 falcons had a colour range similar to some of the LC and LJ Torana colours such as, cyan blue, mustard,sebring orange etc.

I guess it's hard to come up with a totally new colour range that hasn't already been done in the past.

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:43 PM

I think it would be interesting to see the cars side by side as a comparison.

 

You'd need a time machine, no 40 year old paint will look like it did when new, unless you had an unopened tin of paint from back in the day but there'd probably be some deterioration there too.

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 05:53 PM

Excuse me plenty of cars with original paint that still look like new
you need to get to some car shows
what about a car that has 212 km always garaged

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:02 PM

Excuse me plenty of cars with original paint that still look like new
you need to get to some car shows
what about a car that has 212 km always garaged

 

I've been to quite a few shows in Sydney, I don't know about 'plenty' that have 212 km and always garaged; would there be one in every colour?

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:09 PM

The thing I miss most are the colour's names...

 

Strike Me Pink

Lettuce Alone

Yellow Dolly

Lone Oranger

Mayan Gold

Inca Gold

Pharaoh Gold

Kingston Cream (not the biscuits)

 

Nobody has any imagination these days.



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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:11 PM

The thing I miss most are the colour's names...

 

.. and Barney's Shirt, apparently Barney walked into the office and someone said his shirt is the same colour as a paint they were mixing up.

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:33 PM

I've been to quite a few shows in Sydney, I don't know about 'plenty' that have 212 km and always garaged; would there be one in every colour?
 
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Not with that low km but there is still a lot of cars with original paint in good shiny cond
all the old timers cars and one owners cars that you dont see at car shows

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:47 PM

Always thought that the late model Commodore colour Morpheous..was a bit of a tribute to Plum Dinger

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 06:47 PM

Not with that low km but there is still a lot of cars with original paint in good shiny cond.

 

I don't doubt that and I always check out the survivors at shows.

 

Sadly, time in the sun deteriorates colour. If you look at old signs, you'll notice red tends to go first and that includes colours that include red in their make-up, orange fades to yellow, etc.

 

I know I'm being pedantic and I've heard from a few of the oldies how the new colours with the old names are close but not exact, the paints these days no longer contain lead, etc. and that affects the paint.

 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 07:45 PM

I don't doubt that and I always check out the survivors at shows.
 
Sadly, time in the sun deteriorates colour. If you look at old signs, you'll notice red tends to go first and that includes colours that include red in their make-up, orange fades to yellow, etc.
 
I know I'm being pedantic and I've heard from a few of the oldies how the new colours with the old names are close but not exact, the paints these days no longer contain lead, etc. and that affects the paint.
 
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Totally agree also some modern cars only have a litre of paint applied on the outside panels that wouldn't last for to long in the sun you would think

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 08:01 PM

Good points by all. I am wondering if it is better to go with an original colour even though it won't be the same as old lead based paints. Or go with a similar modern colour that is very close that you know what you are getting. I like the really bright original colours that really pop and both holden and Ford did some great bright colours in the last few models. I not talking about a genuine slr or SS of course.

Edited by mandytory, 21 January 2018 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2018 - 08:34 PM

Good points by all. I am wondering if it is better to go with an original colour even though it won't be the same as old lead based paints. Or go with a similar modern colour that is very close that you know what you are getting. I like the really bright original colours that really pop and both holden and Ford did some great bright colours in the last few models. I not talking about a genuine slr or SS of course.

Good points by all. I am wondering if it is better to go with an original colour even though it won't be the same as old lead based paints. Or go with a similar modern colour that is very close that you know what you are getting. I like the really bright original colours that really pop and both holden and Ford did some great bright colours in the last few models. I not talking about a genuine slr or SS of course.


I'd just make sure if you use any 2 pack, that it's solvent based & not water based at all. To me water born is & always has been pure shit. Which is what Gene was talking about with the small quantity of paint applied. Good luck getting it to survive more than 5 years in the sun. I've seen solvent based 2 pack jobs last up to 20 years.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 08:45 AM

Have posted this before, some interesting points:

 

From another forum and something to keep in mind.

 

I have dealt with paint on and off for 40 years and below are just a few of the problems

 

1. paint is made from different materials and not all the mfgs use the same quality of material which is one reason the price and colour of a particular colour will vary from mfg to mfg.

2. the paint the early cars were originally painted with, has not existed for maybe 30 years, therefore it is absolutely impossible to duplicate the original colour.

3. the original cars did not have clear on them . . 99.9% of the repaints are done with clear which changes the look.

4. in the USA, the EPA has forced the mgs to change some of the toners over the years . . PPG has probably changed 5 times in the last 40 years . . when the toner is changed, the color changes a bit . . one of the things that was removed was lead . . the lead was in several colours such as yellow, red and white . . removing the lead drastically changed the color of the paint and also made it a bit translucent.

5. due to this translucent/thin paint problem, it now takes more paint to prevent being able to see through it to the primer and since paint is so expensive and it would take maybe 6 coats to eliminate this problem, many shops are now using primer that is tinted the same colour as the paint.

5. spraying this thin paint over different coloured primers causes a different look so if one shop paints red over dark grey primer, it will look darker than the same paint over light grey primer, etc.

6. spray gun pressure can affect metal flake colours.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 22 January 2018 - 08:48 AM.


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Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:41 AM

Thanks StephenSLR. What brand or type of paint do you use or recommend to repaint a Torana.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:48 AM

Thanks StephenSLR. What brand or type of paint do you use or recommend to repaint a Torana.

 

It'd be best to ask those that have painted theirs; how and when, what they used and what the results have been since painting.

 

Mine still has original paint, although not the best example. It has damage in most of the panels and hence, some areas were repainted back in the 80's, there's some bubbling, cracking and the paint is very thin.

 

I have no plans to paint it any time soon, lol.

 

I'm maintaining it to be the car I drove in high school cosmetically, everything from radiator to diff has been changed though. To me it's a time capsule; it keeps me young, lol. Memories flood back every time I drive it.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 22 January 2018 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2018 - 03:13 PM

Read you StephenSLR , I've had mine for over 35 years. Been off the road too long. Can't wait to get back going. Original colour is Mandarin Red.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 06:01 PM

Read you StephenSLR , I've had mine for over 35 years. Been off the road too long. Can't wait to get back going. Original colour is Mandarin Red.


Just use protec solvent based 2 pack from j a tofts, seems you are in bundaberg. It is not the thin type of paint previously discussed because of the way it's made. If it's metalic then YES it does have clear ALWAYS & NO solid colours do not. It was a trend in the past to add clear to the last coats of solids, but it can cause problems, so I wouldn't recommend it. You will definitely cover it in 3 coats & 4 litres if you're staying solid like the mandarin red, which looks really nice when fresh. I would always use a epoxy etch primer over your bare steel, followed by your hi build after your repairs, then top coat.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 06:07 PM

Thanks grumpyxu1 . I used the protec clear over base on my Xy about 10 years ago. It is Jewell green metallic and was happy with that. Although on some lower panels it is a bit see through, probably needed an extra coat or two. Has been in shed mostly in that time. I deal with Tofts regularly. Appreciate the advice.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 08:48 PM

Thanks grumpyxu1 . I used the protec clear over base on my Xy about 10 years ago. It is Jewell green metallic and was happy with that. Although on some lower panels it is a bit see through, probably needed an extra coat or two. Has been in shed mostly in that time. I deal with Tofts regularly. Appreciate the advice.


Then you're sorted mate, some other brands in competition are much thinner, stick with the protec, the solid colour runs less reducer, so you'll have a bit better coverage too & a little cheaper.




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