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#1 Rainman

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 10:14 PM

Hey Members,

 

Hope your all well and enjoying the fact I don't spend as much time Posting.

 

 

So I purchased an  Coolant Expansion Catch Can for the Torrie.

 

Its has the Billet threaded screw top. Then the coolant feed line at the top.

 

Then there is a bolt in the side of the tank at the top of the actual tank.

 

Then there is a sump size drain plug in the base.

 

All the screw parts have seals.

 

There is no coolant line internally, just the feed in line at the top.

 

 

So if all threaded parts are tight, I cant see the coolant being able to feed in. So maybe the bolt on the side should be backed off ?

 

Most of all, I cant see how the coolant will go back into the radiator when in cools down.

 

If its only a catch can and doesn't feed back, then what is the purpose ?

 

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 11:10 PM

First you need to work out if it is an overflow tank or an expansion tank.

 

An overflow tank can be mounted lower than the radiator and just catches coolant which escapes past the spring on the radiator cap rather than dumping it onto the street.  It is not pressurised or designed to return to the radiator by itself.

 

An expansion tank is different, and becomes an extension of your radiator. It needs to be above the radiator and you need to plumb the top and bottom of it (replacing the plug) to drain back to the bottom of the radiator or somewhere below it.  The radiator cap also needs to be blocked off and you fill through the new billet cap.



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Posted 08 August 2019 - 11:31 PM

Thanks Lee, do you think, if I added an internal line from the overflow line just above the bottom of the catch tank (mounted below the top of the radiator) it would feed back ? Rainman



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Posted 09 August 2019 - 04:14 AM

Well I for one miss you posting, Ray, they're (almost) always good conversation starters! :D

 

To expand (no pun intended) on what Lee said, there are generally three types of tank: overflow (aka expansion) tank; recovery tank; and header tank. It sounds like they've designed the tank you bought to do any of the above jobs, assuming it's able to be pressurised of course?

 

The hookup is basically the same for the first two types, a non-collapsible hose from the radiator 'overflow' to the bottom port of the tank, and a drain hose from the top side port down under the car somewhere (venting to atmosphere).

 

Then, the difference between the two systems is the type of radiator cap you have fitted, if it has the old-school cap with just one (lower) seal then it will act as an overflow tank. If the cap has two seals (one below & one above where the hose comes off the radiator), then your tank will act as a recovery tank.

 

Operationally the difference is that both types will expel a little coolant into the tank when the engine warms up for the first time, but then when it cools again, the old-school cap will suck in a little air and you will find the coolant level in the radiator remains about half an inch below the top every time you check it.

 

Adding the second (top) seal on the radiator cap means it can no longer suck air back in when cooling down, so instead it sucks coolant back out of the recovery tank. This is why the hose from the radiator must be non-collapsible (within reason) and terminate below the level of the coolant in the tank, otherwise it will suck air into the radiator.

 

Because the circuit between the radiator overflow and the tank is (theoretically) air-tight, the tank doesn't have to be above the radiator level, the drop in pressure (lets call it a vacuum) created will do the job instead of gravity and if all is well it will only ever suck air if the tank runs dry.

 

The third type of tank, the header tank, is more an integral part of the cooling system itself. They are pressurised and typically full flow, being somewhere in the actual coolant circuit. These kind of systems will often have the radiator cap on the header tank itself and may even have an additional recovery tank running off that.

 

In this scenario a header tank does need to be above the radiator level, or to be more specific, the radiator cap should be the highest part of the system so any air finds its way there and gets expelled as pressure builds, although many systems have some kind of bleeder setup but that's a story for another day.


Edited by Bigfella237, 09 August 2019 - 04:21 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2019 - 09:39 AM

Thanks Andrew / Lee, great information. This information has given me an understanding of the cooling system. Its why they call them Universal. Hope this info helps other members when setting up a cooling system. Rainman






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