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#1 Rainman

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 11:28 PM

Hey Members,

 

Sitting here watching crap on TV and found myself wondering about FPC from the 70s.

 

 

Not that good with knowledge from the 70s or 80s and, sure you get it.

 

How did Australia rate in the World in the 70s ? Are the Yanks the Boss when it comes to building FPC.

 

Was it the XY that was classed as the FPC in its time ?

 

Thanks for your reply and knowledge in Advance.

 

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 12:26 AM

LOL... I laugh every time I hear a ford guy say that the GTHO was the fastest four door production car...

 

They had to include the "four door" caveat because a six cylinder (two door) Valiant Charger was faster than a GTHO down the quarter mile when they were both new!

 

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But yeah, we never really got into the "big blocks" over here like they did in the States so for the most part we missed out on the true "muscle cars" of the era.

 



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Posted 10 August 2019 - 04:47 AM

Looks like fastest I can find is the 1969 Camaro ZL1 427 would do 13.2sec 1/4 mile and a top speed of 150mph (242kph).  

 

US cars got a lot slower in the 70s with the oil crisis and all that.

 

Euros had some good top speed numbers,

 

1976 Ferrari BB would do 188mph (302kph) and a 13.5 sec 1/4 mile


Edited by MictheAussie, 10 August 2019 - 04:54 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2019 - 06:28 AM

Depends on what the definition of "fastest" is, and that usually suits whoever is claiming theirs is it.

 

This is my favourite:

https://oldcarmemori...6-454-the-apex/

(see halfway down, best result 13.12@107mph)

 

I'm biased of course but Australia's best cars came 5-10 years after the US.



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Posted 10 August 2019 - 12:07 PM

In discussions like this we always have to define what 'fastest' means. Another term used is quickest & it is different.

 

To me fastest means highest top speed & quickest means acceleration i.e. standing 1/4 or 0-100 ET.

 

The old adage that the XY GT-HO Ph3 was the 'fastest 4-door sedan in the world" was based on its top speed of 228 kph (142 mph).

 

There were 2 problems with this statement. This speed was done with the engine's rev limiter disconnected, so it can no longer be considered 'factory stock'. Its stock top speed was 213 kph (132 mph). Secondly someone back in those days didn't consider the M/Benz 300 SEL 6.3, its top speed was 138 mph (220 kph). It was a regular production 4-door (over 6,500 built) unlike the Phase 3, which was a limited production, homologation special.

 

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 02:09 PM

Thankyou Members,

 

So the Netflix Series (Fastest Car) should really be Called (Quickest Car).

 

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 05:43 PM

Thankyou Members,

 

So the Netflix Series (Fastest Car) should really be Called (Quickest Car).

 

Rainman

 

Just finished watching Fastest Car Series on NetFlix, did you see the episode which had a 1200 Dato 100% Electric Powered Coupe (named White Zombie) ? Unfortunately the during the race the Datto driver lost control and crunched a Mazda Rotary racing beside him. Here is one of many YouTube clips of the Datto which at the time was the worlds fastest electric powered vehicle (running low 10's & 117mph) !!!

 



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Posted 10 August 2019 - 05:44 PM

Haven't heard of that show, but then I don't have Netflix, I have to stream from elsewhere if I want to watch stuff like that, is it worth watching?



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Posted 10 August 2019 - 05:53 PM

Hey Peter, yeah I did see that episode , didn't realize the datto was that quick. Going to have a look at the clip you posted.

 

 

 

 

Hey Andrew, its about street cars taking on Luxury sports cars, Lambo ect. Its not bad. The quickest cars in the end go to a salt lake to find out, How has the Quickest Car



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Posted 11 August 2019 - 12:29 AM

Hey Peter, yeah I did see that episode , didn't realize the datto was that quick. Going to have a look at the clip you posted.

 

 

 

 

Hey Andrew, its about street cars taking on Luxury sports cars, Lambo ect. Its not bad. The quickest cars in the end go to a salt lake to find out, How has the Quickest Car


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Episode # 7 when the electric dato hits the rx2. The Dodge RAM (in excess of 1,000hp with 1,800 ft-lb torque) beat the Lambo across finish line.

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Posted 11 August 2019 - 07:10 AM

Shame Valiant didn't bring out an E49 four door Pacer to sink Ford's boat.



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Posted 11 August 2019 - 08:17 AM

I'm sure I read somewhere years ago that there was a limited edition 426 Hemi in the pipeline for the Aussie Charger to homologate against the phase 4 falcon, but it never happened (damn 'muscle car scare').

 

Now that would have been a weapon!



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Posted 11 August 2019 - 08:24 PM

It was a 340 and ended up in softkok 770s with 2bbl carbs etc to slow them down.

 

But no-one's admitting to it apparently.



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Posted 11 August 2019 - 10:51 PM

Its a shame Holdens did fit a 454 into a LH or LX and give them all a run. Bit of oversteer maybe , wider flares and wheels.



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Posted 11 August 2019 - 11:22 PM


Shame Valiant didn't bring out an E49 four door Pacer to sink Ford's boat.

I believe they did build 1 Pacer with the E49 engine option, cheers Aaron.

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Posted 12 August 2019 - 07:00 AM

It was a 340 and ended up in softkok 770s with 2bbl carbs etc to slow them down.

 

But no-one's admitting to it apparently.

The 340 770SEs had a 4-barrel carby, but yes they were auto only & not homologated for racing.

 

The 360 had  2-barrel carb.

 

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Posted 12 August 2019 - 09:57 PM

Yeah even the 318 had a 2 barrel. I don't know why they didn't do 4bbl 318 and 360ci valiants as well as 2 barrel ones. Decent carbs would have made a big difference. Dr Terry I don't know I think that the phase 3 did 228kmh with 6150rpm limiter and could out run the Merc. I genuinely believe that a lot of the early Aussie muscle cars were faster than tested. Out of tune LJ Xu1s that were slower than a LC XU1s with less power. If you read some of the tests from back in the day, it seems like the manufacturers didn't show all of there cards, cheers Aaron.

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Posted 12 August 2019 - 11:00 PM

I believe they did build 1 Pacer with the E49 engine option, cheers Aaron.


Yep. And a couple with E38 engines as well. I think they all survive from memory.

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 09:42 AM

Dr Terry I don't know I think that the phase 3 did 228kmh with 6150rpm limiter and could out run the Merc. 

To quote Wikipedia :- "With the rev limiter disabled it is capable of 228 kilometres per hour (142 mph) and can exceed 7,500rpm (at high risk of engine failure) in fourth gear. The rev limiter is set to 6,150rpm."

 

Given the fact that the standard diff ratio was 3.25:1 & had 14-inch wheels with 70-series tyres, these numbers sound correct.

 

The Benz on the other hand had much taller gearing (to suit the Autobahns) & had a redline of 5250 RPM.

 

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 08:13 PM

. I genuinely believe that a lot of the early Aussie muscle cars were faster than tested. Out of tune LJ Xu1s that were slower than a LC XU1s with less power. If you read some of the tests from back in the day, it seems like the manufacturers didn't show all of there cards, cheers Aaron.

How about a 308 with extractors, light pistons, opened up inlet manifold with water heating deleted, big ports and big valves, grooved main bearings, roller rockers, twin coil dizzy, smaller engine fan, 9.8:1 compression, and 5 kilos off the flywheel that is slower than a standard L31???? You can't tell me the L34 press cars weren't hobbled.



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Posted 13 August 2019 - 08:56 PM

nuffin" to see here, no Supercar scare, nothing at all. Just an old Torana with a stockish engine...move on, there's nothing here...lol

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 09:31 PM

Ah, forgot to add. It was the quickest cars from the 70s I was thinking. Now I have an understand of the two. So it works out , the 76 LX was the winner. Please Lock Discussion .



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Posted 14 August 2019 - 12:06 AM

The 73 bathurst xu1 150 list was very fast and
Would punish them all.400m 12sec

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Posted 14 August 2019 - 06:27 AM

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Posted 14 August 2019 - 07:13 AM

How about a 308 with extractors, light pistons, opened up inlet manifold with water heating deleted, big ports and big valves, grooved main bearings, roller rockers, twin coil dizzy, smaller engine fan, 9.8:1 compression, and 5 kilos off the flywheel that is slower than a standard L31???? You can't tell me the L34 press cars weren't hobbled.

The 253 camshaft fitted to the basic L34 package would have helped to tame the head mods a little?






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