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[Shiney005]

They are so far behind Ford Australia, and so out of touch with what Australians want, I reckon the whole company will be in mothballs before the end of 2020.

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[skap]

please tell me that will exist?

[lx308]

Yep. Being bought into Oz as diesels & getting engine swap done by 3rd party, but sold by Ford

[skap]

so $100k ?

 

that's #@$^%&..

[lx308]

Yea, probably...

[lx308]

Or, there's always this https://www.caradvic...arrop-superado/
Cheapest option is $38k on top of purchase price

[rodomo]

Yep. Being bought into Oz as diesels & getting engine swap done by 3rd party, but sold by Ford

Tickford?

[yel327]

I’d have one tomorrow but not a Raptor full of useless cr@p. If they’d do an XLS I’d have one.
I’ve been looking also at buying a base Colorado, they are about $35k, but buying without warranty or on roads, and shipping straight to Killa Customs in QLD for an LS3 and 6L80E conversion. These are about $25k. I’d also do the bigger front brakes and a pair of Recaros too. Would still be getting close to $70k though once it is regoed.

[S pack]

Harrop do a supercharged LSA into the Colorado https://www.superado.com.au/

[yel327]

So do Killa Customs

[hanra]

I’d say the Execs have seen the writing on the wall for GMH so they do not want to bother investing in the company for its future. So they will just milk it for what’s left and let it run dry.

[yel327]

95% of these are bought for purposes that aren’t travelling to Cape York. They are bought for everyday driving, towing and for tradies. You cannot buy them with old fashioned diesels, they come with unreliable heaps of rubbish and they break down regularly. Even the better ones - friend bought a new 200 Series and it had both DPF’s replaced within the first few months. I drove a near new Everest over Xmas and it was about as powerful as a 4cyl Torana, gutless piece of junk. Mine only has a supercharged V6 and there is nothing I can buy in a similar size to replace it. I don’t care if it uses a bit more fuel, you wouldn’t catch me buying a 173 HQ or a Sunbird as they saved a bit of fuel - I’d be buying the biggest engine available.

[Zook]

Those won't sell in significant numbers. According to the figures we want Taiwanese dual cabs for less than $60k. Hilux, Ranger, Triton. I just bought a cheap and cheerful top spec Triton for $41k to supplement my Patrol and can see why these are popular.

[yel327]

I do get the use of the pissant diesels as a dual cab to putt around in, but if you need to tow 2500kg over long distances they are no good. They are also no good if they have to go back to dealers any more often than for a 6 monthly service. I always steer people towards Mitsubishi as they are great for what you pay, but no good for towing. One problem now is those new ones probably have taken the title off the XC Falcon as the ugliest car sold in Australia!

[hanra]

Are the DPF failures due to these bush trucks being used in city slicker environments?

[Zook]

Haha Byron, you are better than that. Pissants, really? What Patrol, Land Cruiser or Land Rover comes with a supercharged V6; those being the only 4WDs worth owning of course?

[yel327]

Are the DPF failures due to these bush trucks being used in city slicker environments?

Poor design. Plus turning the wick up on small engines to make them go harder, and go bang. It isn’t a new story, just think turbo 6 in the early 80’s versus a near stock 5.0L V8. The 6 will never last as long.

[yel327]

Haha Byron, you are better than that. Pissants, really? What Patrol, Land Cruiser or Land Rover comes with a supercharged V6; those being the only 4WDs worth owning of course?

I meant 2-3L pissants. That is what they are when you think about it. Good for light use, but not really suited to towing in excess of 2500kg over long distances. Wherever I go in NSW overtaking lanes are all uphill. To me they are the Sunbird of dual cab utes.
Nothing other than a TRD Hilux came with a Supercharged V6, although you can do it to any Hilux, Landcruiser or FJ Cruiser with a V6, but I only supercharged mine as I had no viable alternative for towing.
You can buy a Patrol with a good V8 petrol engine, Toyota never really fitted one as they reserved it for the LX570. Sure you can buy a V8 TD but have you seen what a GXL costs new? And then neither of them come in a ute which is what most people want, you can get the TD V8 in a ‘cruiser Ute but by the time you spend $25k on an auto conversion it is way overpriced and about as comfortable to sit in as a SIII Landrover. In the end only a Ram1500 Express stacks up at the moment.

[Zook]

You've got some figures to back up those claims of engines going bang, right? And take your blinkers off.

Edited by Zook, 03 January 2020 - 08:35 AM.

[yel327]

Not sure I agree with the 95%. Every cashed up cowboy / cowgirl west of the divide will be signing up for one. Not sure on the statistics but it seems to me that Raptors are the most popular new 4X4 ute buy around here these days. Stick a V8 in one and you have the ultimate B&S street cred in town.

I can definitely see the appeal, especially if you have to tow around something like a horse float or large boat, trailer or caravan but seriously, half the boat / caravan / 4X4 combos I see up here shouldn't even be allowed on the road. A decent gust of wind is going to make the towing limit irrelevant.

I’d include all those as everyday use. If you wan’t to go touring you’d want a reliable old diesel as you say, like an old troop carrier with a 4.2TD or even older, maybe one of those new Tanzanian spec straight 6 non turbo diesels!

[Ice]

Byron is correct most dual cabs of today are pretty gutless and couldn't pull skin off custard
Dont go by the towing capacity recommended its been proven they are wrong
I wouldn't like to be towing 3.5 tonnes of caravan at 110 km in a dual cab then try to brake in hurry major fail

I do like the Raptor though

[yel327]

About 2500kg pulls them up. I still wouldn’t tow more than 2500kg with that V8 Raptor, and the 2.0L diesel one is a joke, so underpowered it isn’t funny.

[Shiney005]

, maybe one of those new Tanzanian spec straight 6 non turbo diesels!

They still build them with the old non turbo HZJ motor for most countries in Africa. The whole dual cab with front and rear diff locks fitted is less than 50k.  The only reason we can't have it here is because the federal government imposes a massive tax on anything that isn't Euro 5 compliant.