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#1 TREV TORRI

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:24 PM

Hi Guys and Girls

I was scratching around in the shed today, looking through some old boxes of car bits, i came across a few different wheel nuts that ive had on my cars over the years. Got me thinking of when the LC acorn wheel nut was superseded in the LJ series with the short nut with the black cups in the end. Holden gave birth to my LJ in April 72, which when i purchased it in 1991,had the short nuts with the black plastic end cups.

Anyone know when ,what month, ?      the changeover occured, or was it until they ran out of stock of the accorn style, 

Was the GTR models the same as S series in the LJ and LC ?

What other models came out with the Accorn or the Black dot style, ? 

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 08:20 PM

G'Day Trev,

 

I'd like to know this too. I have two early '72 XU1s and both have the wheel nuts with the black end caps.

 

The "experts" tell me that they are wrong but I'd like some documented proof :) 

 

Cheers,

 

Liz :) 



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Posted 14 January 2020 - 08:44 PM

Hi Liz

What months are your LJs ?

Ive always heard that the early Ljs came out with Accorn nuts, but havnt seen a pic of any LJs with them on.

Rare Spares also sells the Accorn nut, advertised LC and Early LJ. Hopefully someone can share some light on this

Cheers Trev



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 06:24 AM

Hi Liz

What months are your LJs ?

Ive always heard that the early Ljs came out with Accorn nuts, but havnt seen a pic of any LJs with them on.

Rare Spares also sells the Accorn nut, advertised LC and Early LJ. Hopefully someone can share some light on this

Cheers Trev

Hi Trev,

 

Both are 1/72 cars and both do have a few carry-over bits from the LC model, which is why I've been told acorn are correct but I wish there was some documented evidence.

 

I've previously been told certain things on my cars are wrong to then find out that they are not, lucky I am usually too slack to change anything so all remains the same ;)

 

I might have a search through the old magazines I have to see what is shown.

 

Cheers,

 

Liz :) 



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 06:53 AM

I believe the #1 Adelaide LJ GTR (completed in November 1971) had the Acorn style wheel nuts, there is the WA Rego'd UXE-012 SMP GTR  (press test car?) clearly has Acorn type wheel nuts and a pic of Colin Bonds Baroda Silver 36C LJ GTR XU1 also appears to have the Acorn wheel nuts. Only one part number in the 1975 LJ parts catalogue (haven't looked at the 1972 cat yet) for the wheel nuts to suit the steel rally wheels and it is not the same part number as that for the LC Acorn style nuts. Unfortunately, none of the GMH documentation I possess goes into any detail about GTR wheel nuts.



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 07:38 AM

I just checked the various parts catalogues & it raises more questions than it answers.

 

Both LC catalogues (10/71 & 4/73) list the same number 2809345, which I believe is the acorn nut.

 

The 2/72 LJ book lists 9782104, I've no idea what this one looks like.

 

The 6/75 LJ book lists 2825904 which is the black dot nut. This nut is also the same as HQ/HJ GTS Rally wheel.

 

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 07:50 AM

Hmm...that's interesting, so maybe I am supposed to have the acorn nuts. The problem is, I don't really like them so will stick with the "wrong" ones for now.

 

Thanks for the info Dave & Terry.

 

Cheers,

 

Liz :)



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 11:33 AM

Thanks for the information so far girls and guys.. ATM we have 11/71, 1/72 with Acorn nuts, Those parts catalogue dates are interesting tho, I wonder if there was a third style of nut, according to 2/72 catalogue, or is this covering the Bathurst XU1 wheel. ??

My 4/72 had the Black dot nuts, which im only guessing that these were the original nuts that were on the car when new, i purchased my car in 1991 from the original buyer from Holden. Can anyone else that has original cars confirm any dates around the end of 1971 into 1972. ?

Cheers

Trev



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Posted 15 January 2020 - 07:52 PM

Sprintmasters were not released in 2/72 so that oddball part number is not for those wheel nuts. I reckon part number 9782104 in the Feb 72 LJ catalogue was a misprint and was supposed to be 2825904.



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Posted 16 January 2020 - 07:01 AM

The Sprintmaster nut is listed in the 6/75 LJ book as 9928165.

 

I'm not sure that I agree with the "misprint" theory. Misprints in part catalogues are very rare & would more than likely differ by one digit or similar.

 

It may just be that the black dot nut had an early part number that was later superseded. This often happens if the supplier is changed during production.

 

I think that all LJ should have the black dot nut & the early LJ  photoshoots were done before they became available. They probably didn't figure that we would be giving these photos a forensic examination some 50 years later.

 

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 08:02 AM

I was thinking last night about the possibility the part number was superseded but I doubt it would be due to supply from an alternative supplier if both suppliers manufacture the same part to the same specifications.

The LJ Feb '72 parts catalogue contains a number of mistakes. A notable error is the instrumentation part numbers. The parts listed for LJ left hand drive are in fact the parts for LC right hand drive and the parts listed for LJ right hand drive are actually the parts for LJ left hand drive.

 

If HQ rally wheels used the same black dot wheel nuts (Pt No.2825904) as the LJ then when were these wheel nuts introduced into HQ production?

Is there a HQ parts catalogue that predates LJ Torana release and contains wheel nut Pt No. 2825904?



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Posted 16 January 2020 - 08:55 PM

whiteboard time 

 

acorn nuts there are two types ( the fluted part is different eg 69 gtrs and early 70 cars had them ) then changed to the later acorn nuts 

 

re 1/72 2/72 3/72

Yes these cars are the rubber line cars

eg acorn nuts ,1/72 cars 71 date coded  wheels ,

71 date coded head ,

return spring on linkage on firewall

,LC gtr xu1 type fuel block used but they had different offset to the carby as different length

Radiator M 1 date coded and copper plate on fan plate for the early 72 cars 

 

Master cyl  etc all 71 date coded 

 

Unreal 

The early 72 cars are hard to find And most are not complete with there parts 

And people don't know whats right and wrong 

 

There were approx. 300 cars built in the first three months 

cheers enjoy 



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 03:36 AM

By the fluted part do you mean the taper? I know this changed on the full size cars at end of HK when they outsourced rim production to ROH. May be the reason for different part numbers.

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 07:09 AM

whiteboard time 

 

acorn nuts there are two types ( the fluted part is different eg 69 gtrs and early 70 cars had them ) then changed to the later acorn nuts 

 

re 1/72 2/72 3/72

Yes these cars are the rubber line cars

eg acorn nuts ,1/72 cars 71 date coded  wheels ,

71 date coded head ,

return spring on linkage on firewall

,LC gtr xu1 type fuel block used but they had different offset to the carby as different length

Radiator M 1 date coded and copper plate on fan plate for the early 72 cars 

 

Master cyl  etc all 71 date coded 

 

Unreal 

The early 72 cars are hard to find And most are not complete with there parts 

And people don't know whats right and wrong 

 

There were approx. 300 cars built in the first three months 

cheers enjoy 

Most parts used to build the 1/72 completed LJ's will have been produced in 1971 so that revelation is nothing spectacular.

A ship load of GTR's were produced in Feb & March 1972. You don't appear to reference those cars. Are they not important?

Proof of both types of Acorn nuts or it's just more speculation.


Edited by S pack, 17 January 2020 - 07:14 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 07:20 AM

The LJ Feb '72 parts catalogue contains a number of mistakes. A notable error is the instrumentation part numbers. The parts listed for LJ left hand drive are in fact the parts for LC right hand drive and the parts listed for LJ right hand drive are actually the parts for LJ left hand drive.

I agree, there are many mistakes in applications, but in my book a mistake is different to a typographical error. Genuine typos are quite rare.

 

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 07:26 AM

G'Day Trev,

 

I'd like to know this too. I have two early '72 XU1s and both have the wheel nuts with the black end caps.

 

The "experts" tell me that they are wrong but I'd like some documented proof :)

 

Cheers,

 

Liz :)

Agree, until documented proof is provided leave your nuts alone. :)



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 08:12 AM

whiteboard time 

 

acorn nuts there are two types ( the fluted part is different eg 69 gtrs and early 70 cars had them ) then changed to the later acorn nuts 

 

re 1/72 2/72 3/72

Yes these cars are the rubber line cars

eg acorn nuts ,1/72 cars 71 date coded  wheels ,

71 date coded head ,

return spring on linkage on firewall

,LC gtr xu1 type fuel block used but they had different offset to the carby as different length

Radiator M 1 date coded and copper plate on fan plate for the early 72 cars 

 

Master cyl  etc all 71 date coded 

 

Unreal 

The early 72 cars are hard to find And most are not complete with there parts 

And people don't know whats right and wrong 

 

There were approx. 300 cars built in the first three months 

cheers enjoy 

 

I'd love to find a 71 date coded cylinder head and radiator for my little green car but I think I have next to no chance...

 

Cheers,

 

Liz :) 



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 12:07 PM

Agree, until documented proof is provided leave your nuts alone. :)

 

I am telling you there are two type of acorn nuts 

early and later ones 

 

I have both types here 

 

 

Why don't you do some research and don't shot me down in flames 

 

Its  unreal you know so much 

 

Yeah your right I just made it up nothing better to do .

 

Mods if you want to ban me that fine 

 

cheers 



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 12:13 PM

How about showing us the two types with a pic

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 12:58 PM

How about showing us the two types with a pic


Agree

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 01:21 PM

I seem to recall someone getting banned for posting pics of their nuts a few years back



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 02:19 PM

I seem to recall someone getting banned for posting pics of their nuts a few years back

 

yes with you on this one 

 

They can find the info on the nuts 

 

i am going to buy a Nut cracker from coles 

 

cheers 



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Posted 17 January 2020 - 08:44 PM

Is it that [email protected] hard to put up the photos of the nuts & settle the discussion ? seriously what are we grade 4.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:02 AM

How about showing us the two types with a pic


You want a pic?

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Posted Yesterday, 10:05 AM

You want a pic?




Wheel nuts Joe, wheel nuts !!!!!!




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