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#1 rexy

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Posted 29 July 2020 - 04:32 PM

So I’ve run across an older gent who has a very nice HQ panel van. He has owned it since it was six months old - first owner apparently couldn’t keep up the loan payments.

 

He is pretty sure it’s a genuine sandman but is having some doubts with the passage of time.

 

its a long way from original now. Non factory colour, 4 speed auto, previous LPG conversion etc

 

How can I tell if it’s a sandman? He’s a nice bloke and it would be good to help him out if I can.



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Posted 29 July 2020 - 04:41 PM

Send me photos of its ID plates to start with. I may get close with that. Then photos of the tunnel in a few key spots later.

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Posted 29 July 2020 - 06:20 PM

HQ Sandmans mmmmmmmmm

HQ very easy to mock up and sell as original and very hard to tell the difference

HJ to HZ not so easy
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Posted 29 July 2020 - 06:25 PM

HQ Sandmans mmmmmmmmm
HQ very easy to mock up and sell as original and very hard to tell the difference
HJ to HZ not so easy
Dazm

Yeah HQ can be hard to decipher
But Byrons on the ball

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Posted 29 July 2020 - 06:36 PM

HQ and HJ are similar, the Kingswood versions get harder than Belmont (Holden in HJ) variants.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 03:25 PM

The build date is a good start. HQ Sandmans were only made in 1974.

 

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 03:35 PM

Except for two made in December 1972!

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 09:31 AM

Except for two made in December 1972!

There are always exceptions to the rule. Surely these would be known documented prototypes or marketing test vehicles.

 

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:53 AM

Not well known. The ute appears on a 1975 dealer tender as option XX7. The van is in country Victoria. Van is quite interesting, it makes it quite obvious that even in December 1972 Sandman was to receive Kingswood treatment like it eventually did in HX, and somewhere between 12/72 and 1974 they decided to have two trim level Sandmans, Belmont and Kingswood. The 12/72 ute is a Kingswood XX7 of course, but this van has E trim, Kingswood sill strips and chrome Kingswood other stuff. Both are hero colours, Salamanca and March The 17th. Van is top spec driveline L31 M40. Ute is almost top spec, L31 M21 plus LSD. Both completed on 15/12/72 with masked dealer code, Melbourne zone office.

I think the fact that time moved on, designs changed and colour charts changed prior to Sandman release is why the HQ Sandman sales brochure has no photos of these pilots, all the images in the brochure are drawings or doctored photos of sedans or other non-sandman vehicles. The van would have appeared very differently to the eventual Belmont Sandman in how it looked.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 02:27 PM

So does 8/73 on the compliance tag rule it out?

Model 80270QR

Its a L31 M40 GV3 spec



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 02:45 PM

Yes. It’ll be originally a column shift too. L31 HQ vans and utes were fairly common.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 06:38 PM

Tell them to send me the ID plate photos Rexy and I’ll tell them what I can about it.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 07:31 PM

Yes. It’ll be originally a column shift too. L31 HQ vans and utes were fairly common.

Also the HQ Sandman came in a 6cl



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 07:37 PM

March 17 would look so good on a van don't think i have ever seen one in that colour

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:11 PM

Also the HQ Sandman came in a 6cl


All HQ Sandman were actually 6cyl (80180, 80380 and 80170 models). HQ V8 Sandman was standard with 253 (80280, 80480 and 80270 models). It was HJ and HX that Sandman was standard with 6cyl (173 initially and 202 later) with other engines optional.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 09:19 PM

This one is only 500m from my place but won't sell or even restore it  :angry:

 

RegardSS  ..... BarryAttached File  Sandman-Coota-1.jpg   74.46K   6 downloadsAttached File  Sandman-Coota-2.jpg   76.54K   3 downloads



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 09:46 PM

^^It may be a Sandman but probably not. Sad reality is Sandmans especially HQ and HJ were just parts mines for one tonners just like GTS’s and Statesmans were. Most were pulled apart and bodies scrapped when they were rust free. Some like that one were parked and allowed to rot. Despite someone working hard to uglify it, it looks like the body is still decent but needs a lot of work on the quarters and roof.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:17 PM

That tailgate
horrendous

Headlight surrounds on the wrong way to
common mistake

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:25 PM

Sandman AND XU-1 expert.

 

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:30 PM

Sandman AND XU-1 expert.
 
LOL

Seriously give a frOckin rest ya drunk

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:32 PM

So what is wrong with the weed green XU-1 then?



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:39 PM

So what is wrong with the weed green XU-1 then?

You tell me
i never proclaimed to be an XU1 expert
your the JP engines numbers guru
and ya other qld buddy that knows all

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:56 PM

The craze in the 70's was putting Mercedes headlights in these vans and utes

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 11:12 PM

^^It may be a Sandman but probably not. Sad reality is Sandmans especially HQ and HJ were just parts mines for one tonners just like GTS’s and Statesmans were. Most were pulled apart and bodies scrapped when they were rust free. Some like that one were parked and allowed to rot. Despite someone working hard to uglify it, it looks like the body is still decent but needs a lot of work on the quarters and roof.

 

Yes this "Sandman"  :dontknow:  has been left to rot which is a bloody shame

 

RegardSS .... Barry

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Posted 01 August 2020 - 02:39 AM

They say the grass is greener on the other side and I think in this instance the saying is true.
The grass would definitely be greener on the other side of that engine bay.




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