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#1 73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 06:31 PM

Hi All :)

So, this may have been discussed numerous times before, but as i am about to replace my tyres, i thought i would refresh the subject.

My EH, is wearing Maxxis MA-1 white side walls, Year Of Manufacture 2010.
I assumed I could get 10 years life from them and have, they are only half worn really (Limited use club rego), but my assumption was based on my employment and dealings with the Dept.Of Defence where they consider tyres to be classified as (XX) Do Not Use after 10 years.

In my search for the same Maxxis tyre, googling prices - curiously i also googled Maxxis Tyre Life recommendations. Which turns out is 5 years. So i was like - Ooops!
https://maxxistyres....-of-your-tyres/

My Torana, is wearing Nankangs, 2014 YOM, also 5 year recommended relacement life again, barely worn, limited use.
http://www.nankang-t...ctive=Knowledge

RACQ "quote" below, Can a tyre be too old?

"Some industry experts suggest that worn out or not, a tyre may have passed its useful life after about five years,
**** however this is not recognised in law.****"
https://www.racq.com...tyres/tyre-faqs

Even mypolice below have a say.
https://mypolice.qld...-getting-tired/

Anyway, i have not quized my Insurance company on the above. I dare say, they will advise follow the Manufacturer recommendations.

Has an insurance company declined a claim based on tyre dates??
I guess any way out/loop hole is in their favour not to pay out....??


Its a shame to have to ditch half worn treads, but it is what it is..... especially the white walls....oh well.

My tyre guy says, that tyre scrappers will sift through piles of tyres, pick out what they consider good, to resell, regardless of the age.... So seeing cheap tyres for sale....buyer beware.

Cheers

Jaso :)

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:02 PM

Yeah, NSW RMS has docos like -

"Tire age
It is important to know the age of tyres, especially when buying second-hand vehicles. Most tyres have date markings and those older than five years, even with little wear, may need to be replaced, as rubber materials deteriorate over time".

Thus, insurers may have an out there?

The guy who does the yearly rego inspection on our family cars, wont pass tyres older that 10yrs.

Regarding all the old tyres, a mate who owns a freelance tyre shop, sells/ gives them ( I dont know) to a Sydney mob who takes the old ones away, and they package up container loads for export and sale in other countries where laws are not quite as tight.
i.e. the tyres may be "death traps" here, but come good if exposed to ocean air.
I guess those O/S driver may never see 110km/h though.

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:18 PM

Cheers Col.

Surprisingly, my tyre guy suggested me reselling my old tyres, but i dont know if i need the hassle really.

The mypolice link above also makes refernce to a Qld.TMR link, which also are posters of tyre conditions, but i never noticed any mention of Date Life wrt roadworthies. Another good point you mentioned

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:21 PM

Maybe some Horse nut might be interested in my old rubber bands, to make tyre feeders from them.

LOL. GITTY UP

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:33 PM

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:50 PM

Tyres on my bike...2012... def need replacing

Tyres on the Caddy ... can't even find a date code on them... some cracking around the white walls

I replaced one in 2010 that I punctured ... bought the car in 2009 so def older than that



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Posted 10 March 2021 - 07:57 PM

I think you can sell oldies.
Last year I helped a mate sell a set of brand new ( stickers still on ) Bridgestone Eagers,prob 20 y. o. ....no problems, a guy wanted them to put on a show car.
The condition didnt seem to matter, just wanted the old school look.

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 08:18 PM

If they are still in good condition then run them.

 

People go nuts for old Bridgestone Eagers for their show stancing.



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Posted 10 March 2021 - 08:51 PM

I have a brand new pair of 245/60/14 Eagers in the shed. Been there since the mid 90’s.

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Posted 10 March 2021 - 09:19 PM

I have a brand new pair of 245/60/14 Eagers in the shed. Been there since the mid 90’s.

Hardened up by now surely 



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Posted 10 March 2021 - 10:43 PM

Have had this problem before with a car I bought in 2012 with 10 year old Goodyear NCT steel tyres.

replaced them with Continental sports,  still could not wear they out, they became road only tyres and I will still have the aging issue.

Currently running Nankang AR1's they will only last a couple of years of track days (2 or 3 per year) and dry weather road trips.

The problem will be size and sports compounds with low wear ratings.  Can you get a super soft compound in your tyre size?

If you can then hopefully they will wear out before they age out.

 

Nangkang have released their AR-1 tyre which has a much more aggressive tread pattern, that although legal for road use, would probably see you receive quite a deal of interest from the authorities if you used them on the highway regularly, not to mention the fact that with an 80 wear rate, you would be replacing them very regularly. At this early stage there are only a limited selection of sizes available in 15, 17 & 18


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Posted 11 March 2021 - 07:08 AM

Have had this problem before with a car I bought in 2012 with 10 year old Goodyear NCT steel tyres.

replaced them with Continental sports,  still could not wear they out, they became road only tyres and I will still have the aging issue.

Currently running Nankang AR1's they will only last a couple of years of track days (2 or 3 per year) and dry weather road trips.

The problem will be size and sports compounds with low wear ratings.  Can you get a super soft compound in your tyre size?

If you can then hopefully they will wear out before they age out.

Hi, just in the process of buying some 205/60/13 AR-1's for track days . A cheaper alternative to the Yoky A048.

Have heard that the ARs are very similar on the track?....any feedback mate?  Thanks



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Posted 11 March 2021 - 02:50 PM

Hi, just in the process of buying some 205/60/13 AR-1's for track days . A cheaper alternative to the Yoky A048.

Have heard that the ARs are very similar on the track?....any feedback mate?  Thanks

No complaints, I think I paid about $275 each fitted and balanced.  235/40ZR18 95Y XL.

Can't really compare different rim diameter and profiles but the AR's are quiet impressive.

The ducks guts are Yokohama AO-50's but at $575 a piece I am happy with the AR1's.

no complaints at all AR1's are stable, progressive in drift, brake well.  I had to re-learn all the limits of SMSP on my car with AR1's onboard,

it was like driving a new car at a faster pace. Enjoy.



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Posted 11 March 2021 - 03:11 PM

Ta mate, good feedback.
I had heard they were a good alt. to the Yokys. Only possible dowside was a bit of drop off in traction through corners after about 15m -20m?.( depends on track of course)
I do mainly Supersprints,they only go for about 15-20 min anyway.
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Posted 11 March 2021 - 03:25 PM

If you are into straight line action and winning traffic light battles then run MT ET streets. My half worn 10 year old set on the LJ are still soft and grippy. 



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Posted 11 March 2021 - 03:27 PM

I have a brand new pair of 245/60/14 Eagers in the shed. Been there since the mid 90’s.

 

 

Hardened up by now surely 


Still worth heaps. The ones I sold were hard and I told the guy this. Didn’t matter to him as he only wanted them for the car to sit on at shows.



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Posted 11 March 2021 - 09:00 PM

My 2 cents on old tyres - if they have been stored or kept well (not exposed to too much UV/sunlight), are crack-free and still have some level of softness to them - then they should be fine to use.

 

If they're a bit suss (rock hard, cracking or flat spotted etc) - then ditch them. Tyres are cheap enough in the grand scheme of things when you consider what everyone spends on the rest of their car (generally speaking) - and they are the only thing holding the car onto the road. Safety should be considered. Picture turning into that next tight bend on a rainy day - what would you prefer - fresh rubber or crappy old rubber...



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 04:00 AM

My 2 cents on old tyres - if they have been stored or kept well (not exposed to too much UV/sunlight), are crack-free and still have some level of softness to them - then they should be fine to use.
 
If they're a bit suss (rock hard, cracking or flat spotted etc) - then ditch them. Tyres are cheap enough in the grand scheme of things when you consider what everyone spends on the rest of their car (generally speaking) - and they are the only thing holding the car onto the road. Safety should be considered. Picture turning into that next tight bend on a rainy day - what would you prefer - fresh rubber or crappy old rubber...


A 10year run, out of one set, is more than enough.
- time to feed them to the DriftPigs.

And Yep, safety is my thought too.

Lets do some basic tyre maths.

Eg.

A set of Tyres = $1000

Divide by 5 year tyre life = $200 / yr

Divide by 100 days a year limited use = $2 / day.
Works out less if you factor in the other 265 days sitting in the shed.


Even if your car was a daily, the tyre lfe / cost equation, would set you back the same as a daily drive through coffee, more or less.

Cheers All. :)

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 10:54 AM

My 2 cents on old tyres - if they have been stored or kept well (not exposed to too much UV/sunlight), are crack-free and still have some level of softness to them - then they should be fine to use.

 

If they're a bit suss (rock hard, cracking or flat spotted etc) - then ditch them. Tyres are cheap enough in the grand scheme of things when you consider what everyone spends on the rest of their car (generally speaking) - and they are the only thing holding the car onto the road. Safety should be considered. Picture turning into that next tight bend on a rainy day - what would you prefer - fresh rubber or crappy old rubber...

 

 

How many people here put the same sort of philosophy to their driving ability?

Something that can really change what happens in the event of a "surprise" on the road.

Tyres are relatively cheap in the scheme of things, but so is driver training.

 

An advanced driving course could actually save your life, or help you avoid a serious crash.

But how many people have invested in their own future. or even the future of their kids.

It is one of the cheapest ways of increasing your skill level, and its the best fun you can have in a car. Maybe.

 

Not many crashes I attended were the result of a tyre failure.

They were generally the result of someone driving beyond their abilities.

For some, that ability runs out at 20km/h.

Their survival is purely by luck.

 

Cheers

 

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 01:12 PM

Couldn't agree more Rob. If I were calling the shots - some level of advanced driver training would become mandatory as part of the process to get one's license. I was certainly exposed to some at 16 / 17 years of age and it was excellent.

 

But more importantly - I think people need exposure to it after they've got a couple of years of driving under their belt. Perhaps the transition from P plates to full license would be a perfect window to enforce that next level of training.

 

Our car club runs skidpan / motorkhana / drag days - best things ever.

 

If only the government would invest! You could have an entire country having it's population up-skilled on driving skills. Imagine what it would also do for the economy - standing up a large scale program like that - you'd need thousands of instructors, facility managers, and all the admin and supporting teams that would go with it. Vote me in for Prime Minister already - I'll start solving problems :) 



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Posted 13 March 2021 - 12:28 PM

I did my first course in 1978 as a very bad P plater.

It was organised through a mate who found it advertised through TAFE at the time.

David Findlay was the main instructor, and we did it at what was left of Warwick Farm race track.

Down the bottom.

It was based around the hairpin with the skidpan set up in the middle.

I think there was about 8 or 10 of us mates in the group.

Was a great day, and I practiced what I had learned on the backroads around home.

Next one was more of an introductory track course run by ARDC at Amaroo.

Did that one in 1981.

Again with a group of friends. And again a fantastic day.

Showed what we had learned and practiced over the previous couple of years.

The courses back then were only about 50 bucks from memory.

Best bang for buck ever though.

 

Cheers

 

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Posted 23 May 2021 - 07:59 PM

As a mechanic and vehicle examiner i see plenty of different brand and age tyres. I dont believe there are any limitations on the age of tyres in tasmania. Its all about the condition of them. I see plenty of cheaper tyres in particular dry rot and start cracking well before 10years. Some as soon as 3years can show cracking.

Id go on the condition of the tyres themself. If the tyres dont have a appearance that they are cracking and they still seem pliable and not overly hardened if run them. There are tyre softener products that can 'rejuvinate' hardened tyres. Ive never used it myself.




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