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[v6 torana]

https://www.msn.com/...ine/ar-BB1fr5I1

 

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[hanra]

So where is the body that that engine belongs to?

[v6 torana]

Quote from the newspaper story:

 

"A man who was rebuilding an old Torana motor got a huge surprise when he googled the engine number and found it belonged to a famous car he had watched on black and white television over 40 years ago

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Queenslander Rod Bowen found that the engine plate belonged to nine-time Bathurst 1000 winner Peter Brock and that the same motor competed in the prestigious race in 1976 in an L34 Torana.

 

The engine was considered one of Australian motor racing's greatest mysteries after going 'missing' having been removed from the Torana before the car was sold in 1979"

[S pack]

Apparently the engine number is a restamp.

[tsn007]

i thought L34 engines were HZ prefix this has a QT

[arrimar]

Would be interesting to find out more.

Maybe the story was meant to come out last Thursday, April 1st.

Or,

Maybe the quality of journalism is just really poor and leads us to doubt it.

I hope he has got something special and wish him well.

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[Bigfella237]

The QT671366 serial should be on a late July 1975 cast date 308 block from a HJ Holden. Could be either bolt pattern by that stage.

 

So it's about a year late for L34 production and about a year early for Bathurst 1976.

[hanra]

Hahahahaha. So he has a fizzer then? How embarrassing to run a news story on this... and be a total croc...!!! Lolz

[hanra]

What’s a great interview

https://fb.watch/4NlvGGb-qP/

[unclefestal34s]

i google the winning lotto numbers every week and still get nothing...i was told google was my friend ...

[Bigfella237]

I'm not saying it's not the engine Brocky used. Are there any CAMS records showing what engines were in what cars for scrutineering at each race?

 

Remember that we're not talking about the dealer team for that year, Peter & Phil went it alone in 1976 (selling the team shortly after to Bill Patterson) so it's entirely possible that budgetary constraints saw them source an engine from somewhere besides the factory?

 

The engine may well have come from Bill Patterson's dealership before being prepared for the car?

[Bigfella237]

A story on that particular car...

 

https://www.foxsport...fbeb0b2a049f28f

 

Specifically:

 

For his local touring car campaign he didn’t even have a Torana of his own.

 

That was until the fledgling Team Brock did a deal with young Victorian privateer Wayne Mitchell to purchase a road-going L34 Torana — and that became the distinctive blue Brock entry for the remainder of the season.

 

The deal was done and the car prepared just in time for the Sandown round of the Australian Touring Car Championship — but only just!

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“It had an old speed shop Holley carburetor and an ordinary Thomas' cam which was actually a heavy-duty road cam with lots of low-down torque and no top end. By gee, it went though!”

 

So it may have had the QT engine in it when Wayne Mitchell sold it to them? Although it would have been an almost new road car still by then.

Edited by Bigfella237, 11 April 2021 - 08:53 AM.

[skap]

What’s a great interview

https://fb.watch/4NlvGGb-qP/

 

 

lol

[yel327]

I just had a quick look. Found the following:

 

Between J491148 to J492492 completed between 14/8/75 to 22/8/75 found:

 

QD671327, 334, 338, 340 and 343.

 

Between L319513 to L322973 completed between 19-20/8/75 found:

 

QR671332, 335, 337 and 341.

 

Lots of QT6713 at Pagewood between 30/9-9/10/75: QT671300, 307, 312, 323, 366.

 

Edit - whilst typing this I found it:

 

H868090. HJ Premier Wagon completed on 2/10/75. Was originally L31, M41, GU7 with no mechanical options. Credited selling dealer in 11/75 was 627, sold through the Sydney zone office.

 

So that means QT371366 was originally a TH pattern block. It will be cast somewhere between June 1975 and probably early August 1975.

[RallyRed]

QT 37xxx or QT67xxx  Yel?"
 

[yel327]

Sorry, typo. QL671366.

[Bigfella237]

~ H868090. HJ Premier Wagon completed on 2/10/75. Was originally L31, M41, GU7 with no mechanical options. Credited selling dealer in 11/75 was 627, sold through the Sydney zone office.

 

So that means QT371366 was originally a TH pattern block. It will be cast somewhere between June 1975 and probably early August 1975.

 

So the HJ wagon was sold new in November 1975, likely in Sydney.

 

Team Brock (based in Melbourne) purchased the L34 just before the Sandown round of the ARDC, which was held on 11th of April 1976.

 

So somewhere in that four-odd month period this engine supposedly found its way out of a brand new Premier wagon and into an L34?

 

Would they have used a TH bolt pattern block in a race car? The homologated transmissions would have been to suit the Aussie bolt pattern. Would they have been allowed to swap bellhousings or drill the block?

 

[yel327]

That engine number is a restamp so who knows? You can see another 1 near the 1 in the number, but might be a bounce as it looks like the wrong font too.

Pagewood made a lot of high end stuff, Dandenong made only commercials at this time so a car like an L31 M41 Premier wagon made at Pagewood could easily make it into Victoria new. However 627 is north of Sydney if I remember right.

[Bigfella237]

Dealer 627 (on my list) is Hawkesbury Valley Holden in Windsor (north-west of Sydney).

[yel327]

That’s the one. Not in Victoria! I call BS on the claim about the engine number being used in that Torana.

[Bigfella237]

That engine number is a restamp so who knows? ~

For the sake of this thread, I'm only trying to figure out if that engine number was the one that was in Brock's car, any restamping is another matter altogether.

[S pack]

For the sake of this thread, I'm only trying to figure out if that engine number was the one that was in Brock's car, any restamping is another matter altogether.

I'm guessing we have all tried googling that engine number and come up with a big fat NOTHING, except for the 7 news story.

Beats me how this Rob Bowen found it in a google search but no one else can.

 

[skap]

I'm guessing we have all tried googling that engine number and come up with a big fat NOTHING, except for the 7 news story.

Beats me how this Rob Bowen found it in a google search but no one else can.

 

 

 

Pull a few big cones through and then try typing the number out

[v6 torana]

Old Mate claims to have a letter from the Brock Foundation to prove the authenticity of the engine..............and what a coincidence he is selling the replica car (he reckons should be in museum) !!!!!!!

 

 

 

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[Statler]

Supercheat auto huh?

 

Looks legit.