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#176 FLY_AGAIN_XU-1

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 11:14 AM

The narrative is full of holes so the narrative keeps changing to try to plug those holes as they keep appearing.

 

 

 



Quote "This rule does not apply to the Australian 200 Basically Identical Units as Basically Identical Units requires 1 gearbox and 1 diff ratio to be able to drive. The 200 cars are required to be identical units. However this rule does apply to the Australian 300 & 400."

 

Ford built 402 XW GTHO but were only required to make and sell 200 cars for recognition.  So what!!!

GMH built 299 LC CK XU1 however Joe Felice clearly stated in his letter to CAMS they had already sold in excess of the required number of 100 cars for the CK evolution.  So what!!!

 

Last time I looked Ford, Holden, Chrysler etc were car manufacturers

 

Not 300 or 400, only 200.

 

 

 

 

 

Ford built 300 GTHO Phase III, 200 cars for the 3.25:1 and 3.50:1 rear axle ratios and 100 cars for the alternative 3.91:1 ratio rear axle would be in line with the CAMS rules for 1971 Group E.

At the end of the day the GTHO Phase II homologated the 3.25:1 and 3.50:1 rear axle ratios and as the Phase III was an evolution of the Phase II those axle ratios did not need to be homologated again.

The Phase III did however homologate the 3.91:1 ratio rear axle.

 

 

Hi after s pack has hi lighted the GMH letter from joe to Thompson I now understand that the required number cars in excess of 100 have already been sold which is the total amount required, I had to read the letter slowly a few times before I understood what Joe was saying, So the minimum no of cars to be built is 100 units not 300. what do u guys think

 

 

I've edited out Joe's superfluous general advice about the production breakdown to make the important info of his letter clearer.

Joe is advising D.K Thompson of The CAMS that GMH have already sold in excess of the required number of cars (100) for recognition of the CK XU1 evolutionary changes. 

It is perfectly clear, the number of CK XU1's GMH had to make & sell to gain recognition of the CK evolution was a minimum of 100 cars, not 200, not 300 but only 100.

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 01:49 PM



Quote "This rule does not apply to the Australian 200 Basically Identical Units as Basically Identical Units requires 1 gearbox and 1 diff ratio to be able to drive. The 200 cars are required to be identical units. However this rule does apply to the Australian 300 & 400."

 

 

 

OMG the Fairytale just keeps getting better and better.

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Ford built 402 XW GTHO but were only required to make and sell 200 cars for recognition.  So what!!!

GMH built 299 LC CK XU1 however Joe Felice clearly stated in his letter to CAMS they had already sold in excess of the required number of 100 cars for the CK evolution.  So what!!!

 

Last time I looked Ford, Holden, Chrysler etc were car manufacturers, that is how they make their money. The manufacturers can make and sell as many units of a particular model or variant as they fcuking want. The FIA, The CAMS and all the other ACN's all over the world only dictate the minimum number of cars required to be made and sold for recognition of the basic model and it's variants and/or evolutions for eligibility to compete in motorsport competitions.

 

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At CAMS discretion, 200 cars if made in Australia.

 

Not 300 or 400, only 200.

 

 

 

 

 

He does have an agenda and that agenda is that every LC and LJ GTR XU1 was built to satisfy a CAMS homologation.

To make the LC & LJ XU1 production numbers, as counted in the VIN disc, fit with the CAMS rules requires twisting the meaning of the rules to suit his narrative.

The narrative is full of holes so the narrative keeps changing to try to plug those holes as they keep appearing.

 

Sadly this forum is peppered with threads containing this BS as well as a well known Torana book published a few years ago.


 


 



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Posted 02 January 2022 - 02:55 PM



 

 

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At CAMS discretion, 200 cars if made in Australia.

 

Not 300 or 400, only 200 MINIMUM LOL

 

 

 

 

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200 MINIMUM, NOT 200 MAXIMUM............



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Posted 02 January 2022 - 05:49 PM

Hmmmm  I feel the Matrix is at work here....   :mellow:



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Posted 02 January 2022 - 06:31 PM

Hmmmm  I feel the Matrix is at work here....   :mellow:


:spit: :D


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200 MINIMUM, NOT 200 MAXIMUM............


WOW it took you all these years to figure that out................................................

 

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Edited by S pack, 02 January 2022 - 06:33 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2022 - 08:49 AM

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Posted 31 December 2021 - 12:22 PM
 

How is it possible to fit 2 gears or 2 ratios into 200 BASICALLY IDENTICAL UNITS    ?

 

 

That is easy, the manufacturer simply had to follow the FIA or The CAMS rules.

Assuming a manufacturer has offered two different gearboxes (with the same number of ratios but different in their staging) and two alternative final drive ratios.

 

One way would be to build the required minimum of 5000 cars (if made O/S) or 200 cars (if made in OZ) and fit them all out with the one same gearbox ,call it the std gearbox and offer the other as an option, and the one same final drive ratio, call it the std final drive ratio and offer the other as an option. The manufacturer is now eligible to gain recognition of the first 5000 or 200 cars of their new model, the specifications of which include two gearboxes and two final drive ratios.

 

Up to the end of 1971 The CAMS Group E rules did not contain any 50% rules for gearboxes (with the same number of ratios but different in their staging) or final drive ratios.

Neither was there any clause within the rules mandating any set production breakdown for gearboxes and final drive ratios that a manufacturer must abide by.

 

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Edited by S pack, 03 January 2022 - 08:57 AM.


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Posted 03 January 2022 - 05:29 PM

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Posted 31 December 2021 - 12:22 PM
 

How is it possible to fit 2 gears or 2 ratios into 200 BASICALLY IDENTICAL UNITS    ?

 

 

That is easy, the manufacturer simply had to follow the FIA or The CAMS rules.

Assuming a manufacturer has offered two different gearboxes (with the same number of ratios but different in their staging) and two alternative final drive ratios.

 

One way would be to build the required minimum of 5000 cars (if made O/S) or 200 cars (if made in OZ) and fit them all out with the one same gearbox ,call it the std gearbox and offer the other as an option, and the one same final drive ratio, call it the std final drive ratio and offer the other as an option. The manufacturer is now eligible to gain recognition of the first 5000 or 200 cars of their new model, the specifications of which include two gearboxes and two final drive ratios.

 

Up to the end of 1971 The CAMS Group E rules did not contain any 50% rules for gearboxes (with the same number of ratios but different in their staging) or final drive ratios.

Neither was there any clause within the rules mandating any set production breakdown for gearboxes and final drive ratios that a manufacturer must abide by.

 

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Are you quoting that post?



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Posted 03 January 2022 - 05:50 PM

Are you quoting that post?

His question at the top is quoted.
The remainder is my post.
Go back and find his post to clarify if you need.

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 05:56 PM

just missing the quote box for clarity, not really clear where Bruce and your posts start and end.... :)



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Posted 03 January 2022 - 05:58 PM

Apologies, I copied and pasted his post I didn't use the quote button.

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 07:15 PM

I'd pay $100k for a CK these days.

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Posted 05 January 2022 - 07:22 PM

I'd pay $1k for a hard CocK these days.

 

 

Gene understand your pain :)



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Posted 05 January 2022 - 08:41 PM

Gene understand your pain :)

Just once see if you can stay on topic and stop being a twat 



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Posted 06 January 2022 - 05:48 PM

LOL, I'd pay more than that. Geez you're a dickhead.

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Posted 09 January 2022 - 07:45 PM

Oops sorry. Conversation stopper. Let me try this...Skap, is a $500 vs vp Commodore all you can afford? Rhetorical question, just trying to keep things light and airy.

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Posted 29 January 2022 - 04:27 PM

Hey guys holidays are over,  That's it no more on the ck xu1s, im shocked, looks like that there are no more rounds  with rocky and Apollo, seems that S pack threw a knock out punch,  you never know time will tell,  



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Posted 03 September 2022 - 08:04 AM

I could try to explain it to you.
But I can see I would be wasting my time.



Does anyone know about the CK which changed hands in NZ recently ?

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Posted 04 September 2022 - 05:40 AM


Does anyone know about the CK which changed hands in NZ recently ?

What would you like to know about it?



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Posted 04 September 2022 - 08:19 AM

Linamint ?

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Posted 04 September 2022 - 03:11 PM

Linamint ?

Yes it is.



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Posted 04 September 2022 - 06:08 PM

Cool story. 



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Posted 05 September 2022 - 01:59 PM

Thanks GTR-1

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Posted 06 September 2022 - 02:39 PM


 



Thanks GTR-1

Where did you hear about this car changing hands?


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Posted 06 September 2022 - 02:48 PM

Cool story. 

Not much more to say. FLY only wanted to confirm the colour of it.



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Posted 07 September 2022 - 08:01 PM

Not many CK’s left in that colour. I heard about it through the grapevine and have been told there might be a bit about it on Facebook……




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