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[RedTaxi]

https://www.streetma...en-torana-e-a9x

 

Link copied from a thread on here.

[tonytorana]

RedTaxi, thanks for the post. That very interesting to see. I hope there's more people that get on board with electric muscle cars. I'm curious to know its weight compared to an equally fast petrol torana.

[RallyRed]

Nice, but it's a 1/4 miler for sure, that controller and those cables are not going to cop 》 1000amps for more than a few seconds I would imagine.
Still, pretty impressive.

[Hot mustard]

Amen

Whoops I mean Amen to the cartoon.

[tonytorana]

I've done a little more research and talking to an electrical engineer mate who's put up the idea of running it as a hybrid. Basically having a smaller battery pack and little generator to recharge the batteries as they get low and essentially eliminate range issues.

[Heath]

I hope there's more people that get on board with electric muscle cars.

Electric cars which were once muscle cars before they were converted. ***

[mandytory]

Hydrogen power interests me more. Andrew Forrest is investing heaps to build hydrogen converters in Gladstone. Safe emissions and plentiful supply . Hope it could be used in a combustion type engine with some modifications. Not fully up with all the facts yet though.

[dattoman]

Some of the hydrogen/electric Toyotas have started arriving

 

[Ace]

This guy put a Tesla Model 3  motor in a 1967 Mini 850. (Rebadged as a Cooper S)

 

[8BALL]

Some place in the US doing elec motor conversions
Webb motorsports i think.

Made a sbc setup so ut looks like the old sbc engine and fits in where a sbc fits.

[rodomo]

Lock this thread please admin

[tonytorana]

Hey, we're not locked out yet. I've discovered an interesting piece of kit the Americans will be making in a couple years. Obsessively it's a live rear axle that also houses a motor and "transmission". It can put 330hp straight to the wheels and will supposedly weigh about the same as a decently sized American pick-up diff. Looks like this could be of great use to people who want to convert their old muscle cars to electric, just take out the old drive train and throw in the
"E-Beam" as they are calling it.

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[neglectedtorana]

I like that idea and most new EV stuff that may one day be necessary to keep our cars on the road

 

Maybe in the future they can make a front end to have 2 motors

[claysummers]

Just imagine, pop the bonnet and drool over those high output lithium cells. You could certainly balance up the centre of mass for nice cornering, by distributing batteries front and rear. I don’t see why this axle couldn’t incorporate regeneration on over-run, giving a compression braking type effect.

Got no problem with the performance and practicality. It’s just those pesky aesthetics we all know and love…..


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[tonytorana]

Honestlyvi was hoping the under bonnet area could be used as extra boot space I'm also not really worried about having a basically silent car, especially if the servicing aspect of it is essentially restricted to the suspension, steering and brakes. I'm just hoping to find a way to lighten up the car a bunch, however the battery pack will pose quite the issue given they havnt gotten light or small yet.

[RallyRed]

I guess as time goes on, things get better and smarter.
Why even have a transaxle?.
Wheel hub motors?

[4dabush]

Going back about 30 years ago there was a small windfarm near Crookwell NSW.

It was unique and was a bit of a tourist attraction.

I stopped at it and read the info on it.

I drove past it a couple of times a year for a few years on my way to burn lots of fossil fuels with my mates on Wyangala Dam. Water skiing.

During that period I was also working on a job building a Coal Seam Gas power plant.

We installed 94 x V16 Caterpillar Gas Engines coupled to alternators knocking out about 1MW each.

It was good for the environment. Previously the methane was just vented to the atmosphere.

It wasnt pure enough to pump into the nearby gas pipeline.

 

Fast forward a heap of years.

I had heard about all the windmills being erected but hadnt actually seen any of the farms.

They just werent in any of the areas I travelled.

 

After I had my crash, the insurance company in their infinite wisdom decided I needed to travel to Canberra to see one of their specialists.

To say that I was surprised when I got close to Bungendore would be a huge understatement.

The landscape is blighted with these white monstrosities all over what was once picturesque landscape.

 

What was once an oddity and a curiosity at Crookwell had bred like proverbial rabbits and totally dominated and destroyed a landscape.

 

When I moved to Cowra recently I did lots of trips through a landscape wrecked by these things.

And, not surprisingly, most of the time less than half of them were spinning.

The best would have been about 80%, but that was on a single trip.

On one trip, most of them were on a powered rotation. That is, they were being spun, using power, to prevent bearing damage.

 

The only reason that these things have become profitable, was the subsidies they took from the government initially, and the creation of the National Energy Market.

Had the prices for generated power been kept at what was previously paid to generators, instead of becoming a commodity to trade, wind power would have never become the monstrous eyesore it is now.

 

When I was on the Coal Seam gas project, from memory they were paid about 8 cents per kW/h averaged.

And it was a profitable enterprise at that.

 

Spot prices for energy now are getting up around 2 dollars per kW/h for 15 minute blocks.

And now, some producers are being charged for generating power.

 

The world has gone crazy.

 

Have a read of this page.

It gives a different picture of climate than a lot of people seem to be promoting.

 

https://www.farmonli...-thought/536258

 

Cheers

 

Rob

Hey Rob, you know more than the average bear…but the max price in the NEM is actually $15,000 per five minute block…yes that’s right folks, we complain about fuel prices changing daily, yet our power changes in 5min blocks…all day, every day.  The minimum price is -$1000.  Ie the generators pay the consumers to take the power rather than shutting turbines down (generally our coal power stations).   Qld has had multiple $15,000 spot prices this year.  Which makes you wonder about state politics when the Qld government is the Major shareholder of the biggest generators - who does the high price benefit!? Not consumers. Average price this year in Qld has been close to $200mwh - about double last year, and about double most other states, and QCA Is about to set the next power costs…which the govt will say they have no control over as QCA is independent…who employes the QCA…the govt. 

it’s the biggest scam…

[Rockoz]

Turning an essential service like electricity into a profit making exercise is crap.

You can trade energy in a futures market type scenario.

As it is now a commercial operation rather than supplying an essential service, is it fair to ask taxpayers to fund a private enterprise that will ultimately be sending us bills? Why should we subsidise private enterprises?

Milk and bread are essential commodities. The people who build and outfit the local shops and supermarkets dont get subsidies to charge us for their service.

 

I have been sort of involved in coal seam gas generation stuff since the early 80s.

One of the local mines developed a gas turbine generator to try to do something with the methane they were releasing to the atmosphere.

It has to be extracted and sent somewhere for the safety of the miners.

They got the project running on a trial basis.

They wanted to export the excess power they generated to the grid.

The deal they were given was basically this.

 

Any excess power they generated was to be taken by the authority with zero compensation to the producer.

If their generator failed, and they had to import any power, then it would be charged to them at 5 times what they used to pay per kW/h based on their peak demand for the month.

All the equipment starting up at the same time can make peak demand skyrocket over normal running.

A short on the supply cables somewhere makes it really jump.

 

At that point the mine decided to discontinue past the test phase, as it was going to be ridiculously expensive long term.

They were looking at a supply to grid of more than 60 MW.

Thats about 50 to 60 windmill things.

And on less than an acre of ground.

 

These days millions would be given for a windmill project of similar output. But the mine one would have produced 24/7 apart from some scheduled maintenance.

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[kudu]

Hey, we're not locked out yet. I've discovered an interesting piece of kit the Americans will be making in a couple years. Obsessively it's a live rear axle that also houses a motor and "transmission". It can put 330hp straight to the wheels and will supposedly weigh about the same as a decently sized American pick-up diff. Looks like this could be of great use to people who want to convert their old muscle cars to electric, just take out the old drive train and throw in the
"E-Beam" as they are calling it.

 

So if you put one in the front and one in the back you'd have a 4WD torana!

[claysummers]

But only in a straight line?

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[kudu]

But only in a straight line?

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I thought surely there would be a way to have or adapt movable hubs on it?...

[tonytorana]

I'd prefer IFS and 2wd to solid front and rear axles and 4 wheel drive personally. 330hp is more than enough for me. Especially if I can somehow manage to keep the car light.

[neglectedtorana]

Looks like Dodge are retiring the Hemi in place of an EV

 

https://www.holley.c...65ePWcc=.UWDnY2

[tonytorana]

Looks like more manufacturers are coming to the electric solid rear axle party. Specifically ZF who seem to be putting one into production in the not too distant future.

[yel327]

There won't be many electric Musclecars. Modt of those will be generally left as is, no-one is going to convert an original GTO or 426 Hemi Charger or an Aussie version (GTS327 or GTS350) to electric. There might be Musclecar clones though with EV conversions, I'd be happy to convert one of my HK GTS's to an EV when the battery technology matures enough, but it won't be a Musclecar clone it would be left badged as a 5litre GTS.