This is supposed to be GTR
ADR 4/70 LC 10343A
PSN 82911CL147357
Model LC82911
Body 1142-A
Trim 1193-48X
Paint 567-11425
Now on back of ADR plate is 147357 scratched into the surface, was there when I took the plate off of body. Got it as rolling shell, bare.
Could some one check records for me,
Thanks
Check of numbers
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, Oct 28 2006 07:01 PM
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Posted 28 October 2006 - 07:01 PM
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Posted 28 October 2006 - 07:27 PM
82911 = GTR or XU1 !!!
11425 = Datona Bronze
48X = Sandalwood! Nice !!! therefore comfirming it can only be GTR
Good luck in getting numbers on it though! hard to confirm numbers that early. If the tags are all in tact then it could be the real thing.
ADR and body numbers don't seem to line up ????
11425 = Datona Bronze
48X = Sandalwood! Nice !!! therefore comfirming it can only be GTR
Good luck in getting numbers on it though! hard to confirm numbers that early. If the tags are all in tact then it could be the real thing.
ADR and body numbers don't seem to line up ????
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 12:49 AM
never worked at holden, but can't see how these numbers could get together.
you need an expert to check
you need an expert to check
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 07:12 AM
adr and body numbers fine82911 = GTR or XU1 !!!
11425 = Datona Bronze
48X = Sandalwood! Nice !!! therefore comfirming it can only be GTR
Good luck in getting numbers on it though! hard to confirm numbers that early. If the tags are all in tact then it could be the real thing.
ADR and body numbers don't seem to line up ????
no xu1s had been built at this time so there was only gtrs this early
Edited by doublin gtr, 29 October 2006 - 07:13 AM.
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:48 AM
Please tell me Doublin?
How do you work out that these numbers are good ????
The 48X trim would confirm that it could only be GTR and the fact that you confirmed that no XU1's were made in this time.
Limo - I am assuming that the body number you qutoed is on the body tag.
What is stamped into the inner guard ???
It needs to be LC 10343A
otherwise the numbers would not line up.
Please correct me if I am wrong !
How do you work out that these numbers are good ????
The 48X trim would confirm that it could only be GTR and the fact that you confirmed that no XU1's were made in this time.
Limo - I am assuming that the body number you qutoed is on the body tag.
What is stamped into the inner guard ???
It needs to be LC 10343A
otherwise the numbers would not line up.
Please correct me if I am wrong !
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 10:22 AM
there is a lot to understanding numbers and also it is not the same
between adelade and brisbane as the body numbering system is different
what makes you say the number is wrong.
between adelade and brisbane as the body numbering system is different
what makes you say the number is wrong.
Edited by doublin gtr, 29 October 2006 - 10:23 AM.
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 02:57 PM
psn is of the wrong date for the adr date.
would think they are done together, or at least the adr plate would be stamped before psn as it has the chassis number on it.
the psn number is off a gtr. issue is are the plates of that body?
doesn't mean that body is not a gtr either.
maybe it is the adr plate on the wrong body? ie stollen with different chassis number?
as I said, he needs to get somebody that knows if there is a reason this could happen at the factory.
would think they are done together, or at least the adr plate would be stamped before psn as it has the chassis number on it.
the psn number is off a gtr. issue is are the plates of that body?
doesn't mean that body is not a gtr either.
maybe it is the adr plate on the wrong body? ie stollen with different chassis number?
as I said, he needs to get somebody that knows if there is a reason this could happen at the factory.
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 04:21 PM
to many experts here for me
THE NUMBERS ARE FINE
one of the problems with people having the microfich and not understanding
how it all works
THE NUMBERS ARE FINE
one of the problems with people having the microfich and not understanding
how it all works
Edited by doublin gtr, 29 October 2006 - 04:22 PM.
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 05:50 PM
the chasis number matches ADR, (inner LH guard)
the number scribed on back of plate matches PSN almost, not all there.
the number scribed on back of plate matches PSN almost, not all there.
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Posted 29 October 2006 - 11:12 PM
please explain, I'm all ears
How does it work?
How does it work?
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Posted 30 October 2006 - 07:13 AM
it is to hard to explain but it has taken years of reserch
and colation of information sorry to have been a bit harsh earlyer but not feeling to
well atm and tolerance levels are low.
just anoying that 90% of cars that the numbers have been posted on lately
people have said that thay are dodgy when infact thay look fine.
no one could ever garentee that numbers are perfect as there is only 1 lot of paperwork in existance that has all of the numbers on it and no one can get there hands on it.
just remember psn were not fitted to cars in sequence.
and colation of information sorry to have been a bit harsh earlyer but not feeling to
well atm and tolerance levels are low.
just anoying that 90% of cars that the numbers have been posted on lately
people have said that thay are dodgy when infact thay look fine.
no one could ever garentee that numbers are perfect as there is only 1 lot of paperwork in existance that has all of the numbers on it and no one can get there hands on it.
just remember psn were not fitted to cars in sequence.
Edited by doublin gtr, 30 October 2006 - 07:15 AM.
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Posted 30 October 2006 - 07:58 AM
Well hope things get better.
have only been collecting information for a few years so if I am in a position to buy an xu1 I have a better chance of identifying one correctly on the spot.
the more numbers I collect, the better the outcome.
already bought a rolling lc gtr that I was able to check on the spot as genuine.
I see some cars get carried over a few days into next month? but never seen one any where near that far, but maybe now I have!
was hoping to find out at what stage each plate was attached.
the microfiche is a huge help, but there are many strange things that happened in the factories of that era.
have only been collecting information for a few years so if I am in a position to buy an xu1 I have a better chance of identifying one correctly on the spot.
the more numbers I collect, the better the outcome.
already bought a rolling lc gtr that I was able to check on the spot as genuine.
I see some cars get carried over a few days into next month? but never seen one any where near that far, but maybe now I have!
was hoping to find out at what stage each plate was attached.
the microfiche is a huge help, but there are many strange things that happened in the factories of that era.
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Posted 30 October 2006 - 06:34 PM
Bryanw, im alittle lost with your with how you determine whats genuine and whats not?
My lc gtr is stamped lc30555b with a vin # 82911ch191090 which is verified as original with all other tags matching.
Are you saying that the chassis number stamped should match the vin number(thin i.d. plate)? as long as i can remmeber ive never seen these numbers being the same whether it be a 4dr 2dr or gtr/xu1.
My lc gtr is stamped lc30555b with a vin # 82911ch191090 which is verified as original with all other tags matching.
Are you saying that the chassis number stamped should match the vin number(thin i.d. plate)? as long as i can remmeber ive never seen these numbers being the same whether it be a 4dr 2dr or gtr/xu1.
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Posted 30 October 2006 - 08:22 PM
gtr161. no
the adr plate needs to match the chassis number stamped in the passenger inner gaurd, that is the only set of numbers that has to be the same.
other numbers are different, but match what was put on the car at holden.
so they need checking to see if they are matching or not.
the psn plate (thin one) will list the model and psn. psn doesnt match the other numbers on the car, and by themselves mean nothing unless it can be referenced against holden psn records.
that will give you more info including the build date, (day/month/year)
from this the other plates can be checked
the body identification plate has another set of different numbers that using lots of collected data can be checked to be from that car.
that is just the plates, the car then has to be checked.
I'm still new to this, I'm sure lots could explain it better than me.
at the end of the day a certificate from holden is the deciding factor. they caused the problem
the adr plate needs to match the chassis number stamped in the passenger inner gaurd, that is the only set of numbers that has to be the same.
other numbers are different, but match what was put on the car at holden.
so they need checking to see if they are matching or not.
the psn plate (thin one) will list the model and psn. psn doesnt match the other numbers on the car, and by themselves mean nothing unless it can be referenced against holden psn records.
that will give you more info including the build date, (day/month/year)
from this the other plates can be checked
the body identification plate has another set of different numbers that using lots of collected data can be checked to be from that car.
that is just the plates, the car then has to be checked.
I'm still new to this, I'm sure lots could explain it better than me.
at the end of the day a certificate from holden is the deciding factor. they caused the problem
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Posted 30 October 2006 - 09:01 PM
gtr161 withot going to the microfich id say your car is late march early april 71
and the body number would be late 17000 early 18000[body numbers arnt on the fich]
brianw
letter from holden isnt worth the paper it is writen on all thay can conferm is what the psn is off.
also have been know to have info on them that thay dont even know like paint color
etc.
also there is a time and a build plant that the psn matches the body number
and the body number would be late 17000 early 18000[body numbers arnt on the fich]
brianw
letter from holden isnt worth the paper it is writen on all thay can conferm is what the psn is off.
also have been know to have info on them that thay dont even know like paint color
etc.
also there is a time and a build plant that the psn matches the body number
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Posted 03 November 2006 - 10:28 PM
ADR 4/70 LC 10343A
PSN 82911CL147357
Model LC82911
Body 1142-A
Trim 1193-48X
Paint 567-11425
Now on back of ADR plate is 147357 scratched into the surface, was there when I took the plate off of body. Got it as rolling shell, bare.
Could some one check records for me
ADR 4/70 LC 10343A......... "A" = Adelaide
PSN 82911CL147357.........."L1" = Adelaide (L1 thru to L5 : Adelaide)
ADR 4/70...........................April 1970 built = Can't be XU-1 as they were built starting in August 1970
Scratching of "147357" on the back of the ADR tag is only the matching number off the VIN tag (PSN) and was probably put on there by whoever was assembling the car so that the "TAGS" of the car did not get put on another car BECAUSE as was told to me by Ron, a worker from the Acacia Ridge Assembly Plant in Queensland (1965-84)
"There were mistakes made"
Looks ridgy didge to me.
There are other ways to check to see if it is a GTR other than tag numbers.
Regards ............. Barry
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Posted 04 November 2006 - 08:54 AM
doublin gtr - your guess of body numbers is very close, its a little over 18000b.
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Posted 04 November 2006 - 09:07 AM
just to add alittle more to this id thread.
on the under side of the plate located near the wiper motor is written the matching body number in red texture.
This is from my 2nd lc gtr which is also a brisbane build. In saying that the stamped chassis number matches this plate which also ties the correct paint code in with the car as it left the factory.
So without this hand written texture colour is it possible to tie the correct paint & trim in with lc gtr's?
on the under side of the plate located near the wiper motor is written the matching body number in red texture.
This is from my 2nd lc gtr which is also a brisbane build. In saying that the stamped chassis number matches this plate which also ties the correct paint code in with the car as it left the factory.
So without this hand written texture colour is it possible to tie the correct paint & trim in with lc gtr's?
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Posted 04 November 2006 - 09:16 AM
adelade cars had the psn scrached into the back of the adr and brisbane
had the body number writen in texter on the back.
you need to understand body numbers to see if correct and all numbers line up.
but there is no other way of telling if trim and paint is correct or what is was without this plate.
had the body number writen in texter on the back.
you need to understand body numbers to see if correct and all numbers line up.
but there is no other way of telling if trim and paint is correct or what is was without this plate.
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