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[Bazza]

Hi


All of my resources suggest that the LJ GTR came fitted with a single barrel carburettor and non - header exhaust system. Despite this, a friend (and I would normally believe him) is adamant that they came with a WW2 carby and cast-iron headers.

Can anyone confirm the true story please?

Bazza

[surfmaster]

LJ GTR had single stromberg and single cast exhaust manifold, it was basically a stock 202. LC GTR's had the WW & twin exhaust headers, they came in 161 & 173 CI.

[jpxu1]

Yep, the only thing sporty about an LJ GTR motor is the aircleaner & chrome rocker cover:ZZZ: LOL
Cheers,
jpxu1

[surfmaster]

Yep, the only thing sporty about an LJ GTR motor is the aircleaner & chrome rocker cover:ZZZ: LOL
Cheers,
jpxu1

But they still had "bling"

[Bazza]

Thanks gang - that pretty much confirms my view of the world.

I know that the LC GTR with its 2600s motor was "special" (because I once had one). The LJ however had nothing out of the ordinary except that it was "top to the range" with its "rally wheels", sports instrumentation, sway bar and underbonnet "bling". Its engine developed 135bhp which was the same as the standard 3300 engine of the day.

Bazza

[surfmaster]

Thanks gang - that pretty much confirms my view of the world.

I know that the LC GTR with its 2600s motor was "special" (because I once had one). The LJ however had nothing out of the ordinary except that it was "top to the range" with its "rally wheels", sports instrumentation, sway bar and underbonnet "bling". Its engine developed 135bhp which was the same as the standard 3300 engine of the day.

Bazza

You sound like your trying to sell one bazza, either that or you have the brochure.

[Bazza]

Bazza - You sound like your trying to sell one bazza, either that or you have the brochure.

No mate - my intentions are all good. I have absolutely no interest in LJ GTRs. It is just that a friend is in the final stages of completing a LJ GTR look-alike for his daughter and for some reason he thinks that an LJ GTR has the same "go-fast" bits as the LC.

Bazza

[surfmaster]

No mate - my intentions are all good. I have absolutely no interest in LJ GTRs. It is just that a friend is in the final stages of completing a LJ GTR look-alike for his daughter and for some reason he thinks that an LJ GTR has the same "go-fast" bits as the LC.

Bazza

Just being humerous bazza , it is a shame though that GMH didn't continue the 2850s motor into the LJ GTR's, would have been a nice sporty choice for the punters.

[Bazza]

Hi surfmaster

I guess there was a reliance on the expertise of marketing gurus even in those days - how many less XU-1s would have been produced if there was a true "sporty" alternative?

Bazza

[rodomo]

Don't be too disappointed. I was under the impression that LJ GTR's were 173 with ww2 and headers until advised otherwise here recently. It made me ask myself what was the point of putting a GTR badge on them?
Paint, wheels, trim and guard flutes.

[surfmaster]

They sold an image, as bazza said its all about marketing, the 202 was a new "more powerful" engine when the LJ's were released.

[Bazza]

Hi Steve

The additional 27% displacement only added 4mph (from 106 to 110mph) and 10bhp (from 125 to 135 bhp) to the LC GTRs performance. Had they added the WW2, headers and cam to the 202, I am guessing it would have been harder to sell the XU-1 option as the "product differentiation" would have been reduced.

It is sometimes easy to overlook the fact that the GTR is the car and the XU-1 is only the option.

I suppose all this goes to show what a great little performer the 2600S really was.

Bazza

Edited by Bazza, 13 April 2007 - 02:55 PM.

[Dr Terry]

Hi Guys.

IMHO the real difference between the LC & LJ GTRs is the torque. The bhp figures only went from 125bhp (161S), 130bhp (173S) and 135bhp (std 202), (the LCs peaking 400 RPM higher) but the torque figures are 150, 160 and 190 respectively and the 202's torque comes in at 800 RPM lower (2000 vs 2800). The 202 would have been better to drive around the streets and probably acheived better economy doing so, but the LC would have like to rev, possibly getting better performance at the track, with its wider power band.

Dr Terry.