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[ToRunYa]

in vic ya can on ya l plates p plates forget it lol
while on the subject of p plates

New victorian drivers will remain on P-plates for an extra year and be subject to zero blood alcohol limits.
The move to increase the P-plate period to four years is a state government plan to cut the victorian road toll.
New drivers will spend a minimum of 12 months on L-plates.
They must also recieve 120 hours of instruction before undergoing a more challenging driving test to qualify for p-plates.
Under the plan, 18-19 y/old L-platers will spend 12 months on a restricted probationary licence, called P1, and have green P-plates.
Only P1 drivers with a clean driving record will prgressd to the 3 year P2 licence, identified by red P-plates.
A zero blood alcohol limit will apply for the four years of the new two stages probationary licence.
All p-platers will be banned from high powered caras and using mobile phones.
Repeat serious offenders such as drink driving, speeding, drag racing will carry severe penalties such as vehicle confiscation or forfieture. Offenders will also have to undergo counilling.
In addition, drivers under the age of 25 who are convicted of drink driving with a blood alcohol limit of 0.05 must have alcohol ignition lock fitted for 6 months to thier vehilces upon regaining there licence.

i would of never got my licence.
wonder when bracksy's gonna bring this in?

[Heath]

Hopefully never, or I better start practising even MORE but if I get caught that may jeopardise my oppurtunity to even get my L's let alone my P's

In Victoria, a 253 Torana can be legally driven on your Ps, a 308 cannot even though the Commodore 5L V8s (old 304s) can be driven, but Commodores are heavy pieces of shit.

On Ls, anything can be driven as far as I know, if I build up a 700HP blown 350 Chev Torrie I could still drive it if it was engineered/registered.

[makka]

in vicoria, going by the sheet that I got from vicroads, you cannot drive any v8 torana because of the capacity to weight not the power to weight. BUT, the sheet that I was given used the weight of a 6 cyl LH/X to work out this, it gives 1183 (i think!) as the weight and using their 3.5l per 1000kg formula that leaves you with a max capacity of 4140 cc
and a 253 is 4.2l (well its actually 4146cc) and because a V8 LH/X would weigh more than 1183kg, you can drive it.

ps: it actually says on my new rego sticker that the car is considered as a high powered vehicle.

[ToRunYa]

^ lol yeh got that on mine too!
big enough writting!

[TempesT]

i dont like that stupid idea Bracksy has to go....

If they are going to restrict p-platers even more they need to look at gettin your p1 probationary licence when your say 16.5 or 17, then they could also wack on the passenger restrictions and whatever els restrictions they want untill you reach 18 then it turns back into what it is today. In addition everyone should be forced to sit defenceive driving corses.

I am just so pissed at this government, state politics in victoria at the moment is soo week, the wrong people are in the wrong places and are acting as if they own the bloody state.

[MRLXSS]

Do u think this will Curb the Road Toll at all? What needs to happen is more driver education! everybody knows that new drivers to the road (and half the exisiting ones) need proper driving education, they need to know how to handle them selves on the roads.

Why do the governments keep ignoring this? This legislation is NOT going to stop stupid idiots in there Skylines drag racing! The people that die are the ones already breaking the law in the first place, Yes they may be P Platers, but they are no doubt Drunk, on drugs or just being plain old idiots! The Laws are already in to stop this, but they break them and die! The answer is not to bring in more laws for people to break, its teaching people that breaking the law is the wrong thing, a stronger police presence on the road is wat is needed (that doesnt mean pulling over every p plater either!) If u have noticed a cop driving the other way, how often do u check ur speed and not do anything stupid? even though he cant do much about it at that point in time anyway!

Anyway these governments shit me at the moment regarding these laws! This whole country is turning into a Dictatorship (JOHN HOWARD) and my country of free speech is changing, the secret service thing will prob read my post and have me black listed! :finger: GOVERNMENT!

[ToRunYa]

i honesty dont think defensive driving courses would help, personally i think it would make kids "more cocky"
yes bracksy is a wanker (sue me :finger: ), hes currently advertising to rural victoria about how good this government is and how much they have spent on education (needless to say they are stupid enough to want to truck tons and tons of waste 500+km's from the source and dump it in a national park, in the middle of one of australia's biggest food producing areas, hence lill protest in sig)
UCK YA! were closer to adelaide than melbourne, wanna try this shite we'll just become south australians!
*drops dacks and waves arse*
i hate politics
and johnny's a butt monkey *pokes out toungue*

[MRLXSS]

i think its more about weighing up the consequences half the problem with these idiot p platers are they think they are invincible, they will try and get sideways out of any corner in any condition, without thinkin of wat may happen if something goes wrong, they dont look around and look to see wat cars are parked, wat kids are around, how wide the road is, how fast other cars are going, how wet the road is, how the car reacts in the wet, wat their tyre pressure is at. They just think, o well same as the last time i got sideways out the front of ronnies house!

They need to be shown that cars are dangerous, defensive driving courses show people how to get out of a rough situation, and also shows how easy it is for ur car to be in one of those situations.

There is a time and place for everything, U just need to know when and where!

[ToRunYa]

i honesty dont think defensive driving courses would help, personally i think it would make kids "more cocky"

how does a defensive driving course make drivers more cocky, having skills and learning is less likely to create cockiness . Have you ever done a defensive driving course? are you speaking from experience?

yes actually i am, i have lost a few friends whom thought themselves able to handle a car. "i learned how to drive as fast as possible around a corner in contolled conditions" is usually the last words of dickheads who hit the gravel.
I drove rally for years. Doesnt mean im gonna try what i do on dirt on bitumen, i know where my limits are and i'll be f(*ked if i will push it, unfortunatley young drivers dont, especially in rural areas where 70% of this shit happens.

[ToRunYa]

i dont know where you did these so called defensive driver courses, denelequin ??, are you are thinking about car control?.i have done one when i was 18. it scared the shit out of me. i was a gun driver before i did it. i came out of the 2 day course with a different driving style. as for the defensive driver course, well i learned it was good for those who did not understand benifits of abs, how to load your car with groceries, how to swerve and brake at the same time. shit like that.

the people who should attend this are, assholes who drive big 4wds for no particulair purpose, like mum picking up the kids in her 3 tonne pedestrian molestor. l platers. and old folk ,< like 90 yolds.

someone start a poll, who hates the government atm

no not deniliquin (where the fark is that)
i done mine at mallala as a part of my cams licence.
As v8racerchic said, its brings out the dickheads