I have been following " jdss57" vn dash conversion and i am wondering if anybody has tried putting a UC dash Into a LH/X torana?
I dont mind the look of their dash and would'nt it be a little easier to fit length wise etc.
Also By also fitting the column you would at least have a half decent wiper switch.
Any thoughts??
UC DASH iN LH/LX
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:02 AM
You can put the commodore/UC wiper arm in your current steering column now with a little modification...
UC dash Into a LH/X torana has been done before - The proper way to do it involves unpicking all the spot welds holding the inner (steel) dash frame out of the LH/LX (same with the UC too) and rewelding the UC dash frame in it's place...
UC dash Into a LH/X torana has been done before - The proper way to do it involves unpicking all the spot welds holding the inner (steel) dash frame out of the LH/LX (same with the UC too) and rewelding the UC dash frame in it's place...
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 12:43 PM
I just happen to have the steel UC dash frame in my drag UC. I won't be needing it. Also the complete UC dash is in a corner of the garage.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 02:59 PM
Thanks guys i was hoping you did'nt have to unpick the steel part of the dash thats why i thought it would be easier.I think i will leave it for now unless i get really bored. lol
Has anyone got a pick or how to of putting the commie wiper stalk into a lx column.As i have a couple lying around.
is it hard to rewire?
Has anyone got a pick or how to of putting the commie wiper stalk into a lx column.As i have a couple lying around.
is it hard to rewire?
Edited by ChiaLX, 05 February 2006 - 03:00 PM.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 03:11 PM
You need to watch the colour coding, as they could be completely different. I found this out when putting one into my HJ many years ago. Took a while, but I got it right in the end.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 04:18 PM
Make sure you have two Workshop Manuals then 
Why was that Chopper? is that due to the age difference? or do different models just have different coloured wires?
Why was that Chopper? is that due to the age difference? or do different models just have different coloured wires?
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 05:40 PM
This has been discussed previously in
http://www.gmh-toran...?showtopic=1661
Basically, the turn signal switch and the indicator arm are two different switches.
The indicator arm screws onto the turn signal switch which is part of the assembly inside the steering wheel. I believe the turn signal switch is identical in all Holdens of the period, and this can be left as it is. The UC or commie indicator arm has a total of nine wires going to it, four for headlamps and dipper flasher/ 5 for wipers:
1. orange (+12V from live supply)
2/3 (light brown/green) for high/low beam ,
4. Blue/black stripe To lighting switch-main on
5. earth black,
6 white(to windscreen wiperdwell),
7 light blue wiper,
8 white/black stripe wiper
9 dark blue(windscreen washer)
I dont know what colours the wires from the switch to the wiper motor are on a LX, but assume they are the same - do look for the same colours to connect to the wipers.
The LX has a unique dipper relay, so the actual low and high beam wires from the UC switch arent needed for direct connection to the lamps, however, they are needed for the dipping function. I posted on how it works last year, but it has disappeared with the old forum. From memory, the relay is earthed through the indicator stalk. Based on that, the orange of the UC should connect to the white of the LX switch and the black/white wire from the lx switch should connect to both the light green and light brown wires on the UC switch. Others have suggested using the earth wires, rather than the light brown and green wires,but this could interfere with the wiper operation if the wiper function is used .
Hope this is of help
http://www.gmh-toran...?showtopic=1661
Basically, the turn signal switch and the indicator arm are two different switches.
The indicator arm screws onto the turn signal switch which is part of the assembly inside the steering wheel. I believe the turn signal switch is identical in all Holdens of the period, and this can be left as it is. The UC or commie indicator arm has a total of nine wires going to it, four for headlamps and dipper flasher/ 5 for wipers:
1. orange (+12V from live supply)
2/3 (light brown/green) for high/low beam ,
4. Blue/black stripe To lighting switch-main on
5. earth black,
6 white(to windscreen wiperdwell),
7 light blue wiper,
8 white/black stripe wiper
9 dark blue(windscreen washer)
I dont know what colours the wires from the switch to the wiper motor are on a LX, but assume they are the same - do look for the same colours to connect to the wipers.
The LX has a unique dipper relay, so the actual low and high beam wires from the UC switch arent needed for direct connection to the lamps, however, they are needed for the dipping function. I posted on how it works last year, but it has disappeared with the old forum. From memory, the relay is earthed through the indicator stalk. Based on that, the orange of the UC should connect to the white of the LX switch and the black/white wire from the lx switch should connect to both the light green and light brown wires on the UC switch. Others have suggested using the earth wires, rather than the light brown and green wires,but this could interfere with the wiper operation if the wiper function is used .
Hope this is of help
Edited by devilsadvocate, 05 February 2006 - 05:46 PM.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:41 PM
I changed my HJ to the HX stalk back in 1987. For whatever reason, the colour coding was different. In the end, I installed an HX loom. Cost me $25 from the wreckers.Make sure you have two Workshop Manuals then
Why was that Chopper? is that due to the age difference? or do different models just have different coloured wires?
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 09:42 PM
Shit that's alright! There wouldn't be any complications with putting a UC loom into an LH/LX that I am aware of... are there?
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 09:49 PM
Don't know, I haven't tried it. All I've done is remove the loom from my drag UC and install it in the bin. Fitted fine in a couple of minutes.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:16 PM
CHOPPER you always see outside the square 
PS thanks to you and also devilsadvocate for great info
PS thanks to you and also devilsadvocate for great info
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 11:23 PM
Why would you want to do that Heath?Shit that's alright! There wouldn't be any complications with putting a UC loom into an LH/LX that I am aware of... are there?
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 08:11 AM
Maybe just a lil easier to find at wreckers... They always have half decent UC's at wreckers...Why would you want to do that Heath?Shit that's alright! There wouldn't be any complications with putting a UC loom into an LH/LX that I am aware of... are there?
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 01:32 PM
LX wiper motor has the same colours as UC wiper motor.
so you just connect the wires to the same colour. except for the LX wiper motor black wire, that connects to the black with white stripe wire from the UC stalk. then the black wire from the UC stalk needs to be earthed.
the headlight dipper switch was just wired like this:
orange UC stalk wire to LX white wire
and UC blue with black stripe connects to the black LX wire.
i left two wires from the UC stalk free that were for the headlight dipper function. i am guessing these would be used if you had an LH torana.
Heath, why would you change over to a UC wiring loom?
the LX is fairly unique with its relay in the engine bay.
so you just connect the wires to the same colour. except for the LX wiper motor black wire, that connects to the black with white stripe wire from the UC stalk. then the black wire from the UC stalk needs to be earthed.
the headlight dipper switch was just wired like this:
orange UC stalk wire to LX white wire
and UC blue with black stripe connects to the black LX wire.
i left two wires from the UC stalk free that were for the headlight dipper function. i am guessing these would be used if you had an LH torana.
Heath, why would you change over to a UC wiring loom?
the LX is fairly unique with its relay in the engine bay.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:06 PM
I was going to say exactly what Matt answered for me, I thought it may simplify the colour coding problem to some extent if it was built to match too, but since I know nothing about Wiring Looms, I was very wrong.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:15 PM
Rts Guy: thanks for the info that the LX wiper wires are the same.the headlight dipper switch was just wired like this:
orange UC stalk wire to LX white wire
and UC blue with black stripe connects to the black LX wire.
i left two wires from the UC stalk free that were for the headlight dipper function. i am guessing these would be used if you had an LH torana.
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Just a small point of clarification. As you describe it, you havent left the wires used for the dipper function spare, youve used the orange one, which is the power source to flash both headlights in the UC. You havent used the green and brown wires which would normally connect to the high and low beams in the UC
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:29 PM
So has the way that Rts Guy wired it up correct. I mean do all the functions work ok Rts guy??
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:38 PM
Yes, rts boy has done all the wiper connections as I thought they should be too.
I havent tested that the blue/black wire actually makes contact with the orange wire when the flasher is used, but suppose that it could and since rts boy has his working it must be okay. This would simplify having to connect both the green and brown to the LX black wire.
I havent tested that the blue/black wire actually makes contact with the orange wire when the flasher is used, but suppose that it could and since rts boy has his working it must be okay. This would simplify having to connect both the green and brown to the LX black wire.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 03:39 PM
yes spot on devils.Rts Guy: thanks for the info that the LX wiper wires are the same.
the headlight dipper switch was just wired like this:
orange UC stalk wire to LX white wire
and UC blue with black stripe connects to the black LX wire.
i left two wires from the UC stalk free that were for the headlight dipper function. i am guessing these would be used if you had an LH torana.
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Just a small point of clarification. As you describe it, you havent left the wires used for the dipper function spare, youve used the orange one, which is the power source to flash both headlights in the UC. You havent used the green and brown wires which would normally connect to the high and low beams in the UC
is that the way it should be?
i had it all working in my spare LX torana, but i am putting it into my project which isnt finished yet.
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 08:45 PM
Well, there is no manual on how to wire it up, a few roads do lead to Rome here, and the way rtsboy has works and makes sense to me. For interests sake I checked out that the orange wire does make contact with the blue/black wire when the stalk is titled forwards...it does...no surprise.is that the way it should be?
Im not looking for a better way to do it for now!
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