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#1 _Brad1979UC_

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 10:18 AM

Hey all,

want to fit roller rockers but want to make sure i dont blow anything up :rolleyes: .
I am wondering is there a major difference in the ratio of roller rockers? Will 1.6 be ok? Also will i need a high rise rocker cover to fit them or will they fit under the standard cover? I am leaning towards getting hardened pushrods too, but would they be the same size as the standard ones i have in there now?

On a standard red 202 head (exept hardened valve seats and shaved surface) would i need any modification to the head to fit the studs for the rocker arms? aparently they are bolt on but i want to make sure.

A few questions there but if anyone could help me that would be fantastic, im just looking for some easy hp in time for the drag day ! :burnout:

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 10:46 AM

first things that come to mind are-

do you have screw in studs?

Im nearly 100% sure they will fit under a normal old rocker cover

1.6 ratio is goood! better then 1.5 IMO.

But im not 100% if you have to change anything to go to 1.6 ratio rockers. I know there is a trick involving falcon rockers but thats different entirely i do belive.

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 10:48 AM

If it's a stock engine, use the 1.5:1 rockers. When I had them, they just touched the stock rocker cover, so I went for a high rise alloy one. Others haven't had this problem, so it just may have been my stock rocker cover was a bit out of shape.

If you can afford it, get the bolt on adjustable ones.

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 10:49 AM

I use 1.5 Erson's under a stock rocker cover.

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 06:26 PM

What gain do you expect by fitting Rollers to a standard motor. Money can be spent in other areas for better return. You will gain 1 to 5HP max won't even notice it for $300.00 plus your time to fit. Put a decent exhaust or a better carb at least you will hear the change even if you can't feel the difference. New Cam perhaps. Shop around before you part with the cash talk to some motor builders. Sunburst

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 07:02 PM

At least roller rockers will improve fuel economy if nothing else. Makes it a more efficient motor even if the power doesn't go through the roof, I can't see harm in that.

Could someone please explain to me how the ratio of a rocker affects the rocker cover clearance? The valve stem still sits at the same height when the valve is closed... changing the angle of the pushrod can't affect very much, right?

Edited by Heath, 06 February 2008 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2008 - 07:04 PM

If you need srew in studs the head will need to come off and go to the shop for post removal machine the post bases and tap the thread, YT do a fit to the existing post YT ST2007's 1.5's, will probably need to do some rocker geometry checks and muck around with push rod lengths. Sunburst

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 07:06 PM

Yes that is if you need screw in studs, but I don't think Brad would bother with rockers with that requirement on an otherwise standard motor (correct me if i'm wrong mate).

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 07:11 PM

Yes that is if you need screw in studs, but I don't think Brad would bother with rockers with that requirement on an otherwise standard motor (correct me if i'm wrong mate).

Heath, read his original post properly "would i need any modification to the head to fit the studs for the rocker arms " Sunburst

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 07:24 PM

At least roller rockers will improve fuel economy if nothing else. Makes it a more efficient motor even if the power doesn't go through the roof, I can't see harm in that.

Could someone please explain to me how the ratio of a rocker affects the rocker cover clearance? The valve stem still sits at the same height when the valve is closed... changing the angle of the pushrod can't affect very much, right?

Heath its not so much the rocker ratio that chews up the rocker cover clearance, it is that a roller rocker is phyiscally much larger than a pressed steel unit. Hence the early style rollers need a biigger or taller rocker cover, most modern units fit under the covers espessially the YT units as they are primary manufacturers to the Aussie motors so tailored to users needs and feedback. Sunburst PS Fuel economy increase would be marginal but probably true, 50 cents per tank through less friction.

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 07:26 PM

I stand corrected.

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 08:48 AM

I found roller rockers made a noticable difference on the ecotech in the ute.

Idled nicer, was smoother to rev, and accelerated much nicer.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 10:24 AM

What gain do you expect by fitting Rollers to a standard motor. Money can be spent in other areas for better return. You will gain 1 to 5HP max won't even notice it for $300.00 plus your time to fit. Put a decent exhaust or a better carb at least you will hear the change even if you can't feel the difference. New Cam perhaps. Shop around before you part with the cash talk to some motor builders. Sunburst

If you need srew in studs the head will need to come off and go to the shop for post removal machine the post bases and tap the thread,

(Heath)
Yes that is if you need screw in studs, but I don't think Brad would bother with rockers with that requirement on an otherwise standard motor (correct me if i'm wrong mate).

Ive already done carb/manifold/headers/exhaust/ignition, other than 10.2-5 ish compression its internally stock. A new cam maybe but it is a daily driver, so an engine that runs smoother and a bit more economically is a bonus too.

Why does the head need modification? I was presuming that the studs substituted the rocker arm bolts then rocker then posi lock on top. If i have to take the head off then i would more consider having the head ported instead.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 12:13 PM

Why does the head need modification? I was presuming that the studs substituted the rocker arm bolts then rocker then posi lock on top. If i have to take the head off then i would more consider having the head ported instead.

The stud bolts, fitted to 173 & 202s are smaller sized threads than the studs fitted for adjustable rockers. You need to drill out and retap the holes to fit the larger studs.

The smaller bolts if replaced with the same sized thread studs won't be strong enough.

Steve

Edited by 73LJWhiteSL, 08 February 2008 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:57 PM

What gain do you expect by fitting Rollers to a standard motor. Money can be spent in other areas for better return. You will gain 1 to 5HP max won't even notice it for $300.00 plus your time to fit. Put a decent exhaust or a better carb at least you will hear the change even if you can't feel the difference. New Cam perhaps. Shop around before you part with the cash talk to some motor builders. Sunburst

� If you need srew in studs the head will need to come off and go to the shop for post removal machine the post bases and tap the thread,

(Heath)
Yes that is if you need screw in studs, but I don't think Brad would bother with rockers with that requirement on an otherwise standard motor (correct me if i'm wrong mate).

Ive already done carb/manifold/headers/exhaust/ignition, other than 10.2-5 ish compression its internally stock. A new cam maybe but it is a daily driver, so an engine that runs smoother and a bit more economically is a bonus too.

Why does the head need modification? I was presuming that the studs substituted the rocker arm bolts then rocker then posi lock on top. If i have to take the head off then i would more consider having the head ported instead.

Hi Brad, I misunderstood your first post re standard motor, Rollers would be the next logical step for Bolt On Preformance, yes it is smoother, yes it revs more freely (Sound is slick), there is small gains to be made (every bit helps). Another gain is less wear on engine parts if adjusted properly. You will get use to running the feeler gauge through them every service. YT Street Terra 2007 will fit the 3/8 shaft, 3/8 shafts were prone to loosening as they are press fitted to the head. Problem in a hard reving motor, Preformance mod was to pin the post in the head (XU1 Mod). ST 2007s come with Posi locks and fit under the rocker cover. Head will only need to come off if you use the more expensive roller rockers with a 7/16 shaft mount, I believe old shaft gets removed, base of the post gets machined then drilled and tapped, then you put 7/16 posts in or use the "You Beaut" screw down twin shaft joined rollers YT Platinum Series . Sunburst
PS more to the point re 1.6 or 1.5 the standard units are 1.5 but I would speak to an engine builder re using a higher ratio, I have heard of using one of each but can't remember what one was inlet and what one was exhaust.

Edited by sunburst_metalic, 08 February 2008 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2008 - 05:30 PM

Ohhh ok yea thanks thats cleared up alot, especially in regards to the studs, I will have a chat to an engine builder and see what we will do, because most likely if i have the head off i may as well have it ported too
Thanks for the info,
Brad.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 01:24 PM

i got a set of street terras from them recently. they were 1.72? (custom) and adjustable.

they will do them, just ask. cheap too.




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