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#1 _UDLOSE_

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 04:35 PM

I have had nothing but headaches with this stick shift business I think i'm ready to turn in the towel and chuck a T350 in it like everyone else.

My plans have changed alot since i first started out and I honestly think that the car is going to be hardly driven on the street and when it is it will be absolute cruising, so no rippin' thru the gears anyway.

When its not on the street i'll mainly be dragging it, since there's very little else i'll be able to use it for and i live down the street from the best drag strip in the country that has weekly street meets.

I can't get any extracters on there without expensive modifications or a full custom job. My girlfriend wont be able to drive it, it'll be highly dangerous and probably a complete pig to drive.

Toploaders are now rare as rocking horse shit so if I snap it, i'm up the creek big time. I reckon i've got about 3 grand worth of gear related to this box. If i cash it in I should be able to get a pretty sweet auto setup and the pipes im buying off thegts will bolt straight on..

What do u guys reckon?

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 04:40 PM

I'm all for it, it will be faster over the 1/4 with any auto and easier on the drivetrain.

JMHO

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 04:43 PM

If you're leaning towards drag racing and a bit of street cruising - a T350 will be great. It's one of those things if built right once, you'll never have to touch it again.

I love the T350 behind my 383 Chev. I use the car for regular street driving, heaps of cruising, long distance trips, as well as heaps of drag racing and performance car events (it gets a fair workout). Years and years of trouble-free service, I'm stoked.

Of course, you'll get lots of manual-die-hards saying don't do it... so at the end of the day, it's all personal preference.

I think, from a maintenance / allowing your girl to drive it / practicality and user-friendliness point of view you cannot go wrong with a good strong T350. There's a reason they are so popular.

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 06:56 PM

i love manuals but unless ya got some cash to throw around autos work out cheaper

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 08:11 PM

well the thing is I am a manual die hard, but i dont think i'll get to drive it the way that i want to drive it so its kind of pointless.

I've driven fully manualised autos with big stallies before and I'd still prefer a stick shift any day for outright fun, but I reckon the auto is still the smartest way to go. For street/strip drivabilty nothing beats a stalled up auto.


So I have a few questions.

Anyone selling one? :D

T400 and T350 crossmembers are different aren't they?

Do you have to bash out the tunnel to fit a T350? I know that you have to get a 400 in..

Is the yoke the same for 350s and 400s?

The reason that I ask is I have a stock T400, with stally a tailshaft (HQ length) and a torana crossmember. The thing is I know that its stupid to run a 400 in a n/a torana, but I just want to know if I can use any of the bits? The gearbox came with a 308 that I bought and I found the xmember at a swap meet for $50 so I grabbed it. Its no big loss if I cant use any of it.

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Edited by UDLOSE, 21 April 2008 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2008 - 11:47 PM

TH400 has a much larger different slip yoke than the th350,th700 & trimatic use.

I've driven cars with manualised autos & big stallies,quite liked them in the cars they were in.Have even put an auto in my lc not that long ago only to realise that this car should go back to being be a manual car,has been for twelve of the thirteen years I've owned it so will put a manual back in when I get the chance.

You got a price for that toploader set up?

Edited by gtrboyy, 21 April 2008 - 11:50 PM.


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Posted 22 April 2008 - 02:39 AM

The TH350 is smaller than the TH400 and will fit without tunnel mods. The cable shifters from the Statesman do not fit without tunnel mods but the rod linkage shifters from the Kingswood, Premier & GTS will fit without problems.

The TH700 would also be worth considering if you plan to cruise the Hwy. They can be built to handle 700+ hp.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:18 AM

Mate put a $100 service kit thru the TH400, add a stall converter and away you go.

No need to spend $2000 on the TH350, a stock TH400 freshly serviced will still be stronger then any TH350, all day every day.

Just modify the tunnel.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:51 AM

Mate put a $100 service kit thru the TH400, add a stall converter and away you go.

No need to spend $2000 on the TH350, a stock TH400 freshly serviced will still be stronger then any TH350, all day every day.

Just modify the tunnel.

If I'm going to bother I want to do it right. The 400s are heavier and suck more horsepower right? I've got a 400 in the shed and the thing is the size of a house and weighs about as much.

How much tunnel mods are needed? Would a non shift kitted box be any good behind my engine? It makes about 460 at the fly and i want to be shifting at 6500 - 7000rpm.

2k is nothing compared to what i've had to throw at this toploader.


Too many options :<_<:

gtrboyy I dunno mate, it would have to be a fair bit for me to let it go. What parts are you after? or just the box?


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Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:07 PM

Toploaders are now rare as rocking horse shit so if I snap it, i'm up the creek big time.

I read somewhere that new Toploaders are available, pretty sure it was either AMC or Street Machine magazine that I read it in.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:19 PM

Yes the T400 is big and heavy and sucks HP but it will work OK and won't be stressed.

The only T400's I have put in LH/X's have been behind 308's and have only needed floor massaging to fit an OE shifter. Cable shifters fit without needing the floor touched at all. This may or may not be the case with a SBC.

As suggested, fit a shift kit and filter to your T400, get the bands adjusted, fit it and have a go. You will need to get the tailshaft shortened (don't forget to get it rebalanced !!) and a new uni to suit your diff. You have everything else.

I used a T400 for a while in my tonner. It was a stocker with a convertor and shift kit and worked fine. I later swapped it for a 'glide and picked up some MPH and a bit of ET but the 60' slowed. The T400 was a better street box (still had auto in drive).

Get a good cooler and fit a deep pan and it will live. At least this way you get your junk mobile and see how you like the 3 speed.

JMHO

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 01:19 PM

Try LA Motor Repairs.

More info at David Knee Toploader Transmissions.

Or don't bother if you've already decided to go auto! :D

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 02:28 PM

Yes the T400 is big and heavy and sucks HP but it will work OK and won't be stressed.

The only T400's I have put in LH/X's have been behind 308's and have only needed floor massaging to fit an OE shifter. Cable shifters fit without needing the floor touched at all. This may or may not be the case with a SBC.

As suggested, fit a shift kit and filter to your T400, get the bands adjusted, fit it and have a go. You will need to get the tailshaft shortened (don't forget to get it rebalanced !!) and a new uni to suit your diff. You have everything else.

I used a T400 for a while in my tonner. It was a stocker with a convertor and shift kit and worked fine. I later swapped it for a 'glide and picked up some MPH and a bit of ET but the 60' slowed. The T400 was a better street box (still had auto in drive).

Get a good cooler and fit a deep pan and it will live.  At least this way you get your junk mobile and see how you like the 3 speed.

JMHO

That is awesome news about the tunnel. If thats the case then i think you've sealed the deal. The chev does seem to sit a slightly furthur forward than the 308 did so I wont count my chickens just yet. I might try and muscle the thing into place on the weekend and see if it'll clear.

If i stick with the 400 i dont have to sell off my toploader stuff which will give me the option to pursue it again later if I decide i want to.

Aparently theres a guy that lives around the corner from me that builds tough gearboxes in his backyard and he used to run a reputable shop. I'll find out more about that.

I've got to break the news to my engine builder first. I'm going to be getting a shitload of "I told you so"s from everyone. I wish i'd given in earlier :rolleyes:

I need to do some more research, but it looks like its the way to go.

I know about the david knee toploaders, but from memory they are very expensive. I originally went toploader because at the time (4 years ago) they were readily available for 300-$400 so i figured it was a smart choice.

Now with cops, laws and fuel prices i think the only time that i'll get to really give it a hard time is on the strip and thats the one time there's no questioning an auto.

Cheers
Marty

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 06:52 PM

Not sure if this is any help to you, I put it in anyway.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 08:39 PM

UDLOSE:I'm looking for a g/box,bellhousing to suit a turbo pattern 308,hydraulic clutch set up etc to fit into my lc.

I still have a th400 still sitting in my garage that I wont be using,should sell it to make room lol.

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 09:06 PM

hope this helps ,lx torana ,350 chev, t400 trans, cable shifter, no mods whatsoever to trans tunnel, does have modified cross member to mount gearbox,does have hole in top of tunnel for shifter cable, gearbox has had overhaul manual shift kit installed 3500 - 4000 converter.

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