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[Collo]

My thoughts....for what they're worth.

Stick the turbo'ed alloytec in the commodore and take on the xr6 as Nalnoc said.

Bring back the Torana name on a car worthy of it, not a vectra/astra inbred thing.

Don't make it Pink and FFS put a v8 in it.

My 2 cents.

[SamBam]

it doesnt look anything like a torana, if they want to bring it back, they should at least make it resemble the old one. n why pink?
mustang did a fair good job replicating the old so why cant holden do that?

[Heath]

I don't get the "FFS put a V8 in it" comment. What if the Torana was killed at the end of LJ? We would still be here, loving Toranas (yeah i'm a box torana man but i still prefer baby toranas more than 98% of the shit on the road lol) and V8 Toranas would be few and far between. We wouldn't want a V8 in the new Torana, we would want some triple or six throttle body fed six, or a turbo six or something. The Torana still built up one HELL of a reputation for itself before the V8s were introduced.

If they brought out a new Torana, a V8 wouldn't necessarily be bad, but they would probably just plonk an LS2 into it, and that doesn't really do much to pull the company out of shit. A 4L V8 or something would be great but no one is making them? At least the Alloytechs are a seriously powerful motor these days (~196kW in VEs), so if they actually made the Torana small and light then it would do shitloads without forced induction, and it would be better on fuel in a car that weighs 2/3 as much.

Any RWD, six speed manual car that has more than four cylinders and is somewhat overpowered, Australian made and comes in under 1300kg, is gonna appeal to a lot of Aussies.

Edited by Heath, 05 November 2008 - 09:56 AM.

[MRLXSS]

An LS3 with DOD technology, in a lightweight car would get very very good economy. A VE L98 will get 12L/100kms, those cars weigh 1800kgs! Shed 500kg off it, have the displacement on demand, and have good gearing, aerodynamics etc and you could get them cruising around at 10L/100km's easy i reckon!

O, and you will probably also be looking at a 12 second qtr, 320kw and a bloody nuts car to drive!

Only problem is, the rules regarding lightweight cars and big engines... Is there government regulation stopping a 6.2L engine in a 1300kg car? A 4.2L 330kw Audi engine is what we need!!!

[Statler]

My 2c,


If it wont accept a 4,6 & 8cyl engine, then DONT call it a Torana!

[Collo]

I don't get the "FFS put a V8 in it" comment. What if the Torana was killed at the end of LJ? We would still be here, loving Toranas (yeah i'm a box torana man but i still prefer baby toranas more than 98% of the shit on the road lol) and V8 Toranas would be few and far between. We wouldn't want a V8 in the new Torana, we would want some triple or six throttle body fed six, or a turbo six or something. The Torana still built up one HELL of a reputation for itself before the V8s were introduced.

If they brought out a new Torana, a V8 wouldn't necessarily be bad, but they would probably just plonk an LS2 into it, and that doesn't really do much to pull the company out of shit. A 4L V8 or something would be great but no one is making them? At least the Alloytechs are a seriously powerful motor these days (~196kW in VEs), so if they actually made the Torana small and light then it would do shitloads without forced induction, and it would be better on fuel in a car that weighs 2/3 as much.

Any RWD, six speed manual car that has more than four cylinders and is somewhat overpowered, Australian made and comes in under 1300kg, is gonna appeal to a lot of Aussies.

Heath,
I'm just saying that the V8 would sell. I like the small torries too but if they made a new one surely there should be a V8 option at least.

Theres' plenty of SS's,Calais's, SSV's etc running round with V8's. Don't seem to have to much trouble selling.

[Heath]

haha that brings in another point entirely... Holden wouldn't want Toranas taking away from their VE sales...

[Collo]

haha that brings in another point entirely... Holden wouldn't want Toranas taking away from their VE sales...

Hahaha yeah.

[enderwigginau]

Maltoc - you forgot the 4.3L allotec being produced in Canada!
This is what sstorana and I wanted originally - sounds nicer - TT43.

Most of the Holden sales boys would prefer Holden to bring out the Torana in 4, 6 & 8, prob including turbo options on the 4 & 6.
They know it would be a better seller than most of these "shiny" versions of the Barinas/Astras/Commonwhores!!

And a Torana, esp. in V8, would really only cut into HSV sales, as the main commonwhore sales are fleet 6s.
It would take on, and beat, BMW, Audi et al in Oz..............

Really, cut one of the shoddy Korean cars from the lineup, build an australian car, helping our economy, and it will be a worldwide seller!

And yes, keep a pink option. All the hero colours from GTR to A9X!
Hell, a low-slung LS4 (the short 4.3 version) could pick up the GTR badge!! That's if it doesn't get LS7
Grant..

[Statler]

Make mine a 7ltr with 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steer, & a supercharger please!

I dont care what color you paint it!

[MRLXSS]

Isnt the LS4 a front wheel drive V8?

[Collo]

Make mine a 7ltr with 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steer, & a supercharger please!

I dont care what color you paint it!

Hahaha supercharged V8 Holden Skyline

Though i'd have one of them even if it was pink.

Edited by slr_v8, 06 November 2008 - 06:03 PM.

[enderwigginau]

Yes, the LS4 is used in the front-wheel drive land yachts!!
But it is a std setup V8, just shortened in the block to fit ahead of the transaxle.

Which makes it small and relatively light.

Grant..

[MRLXSS]

The LS4 is a smaller 5.3 L (5,328 cc/325.1 cu in) version of the Generation IV block. Though it has the same displacement as the Vortec 5300 LH6, it differs in that it has an aluminum block rather than an iron one and it uses the same cylinder head as the Generation III LS6 engine.

This engine is adapted for transverse front-wheel drive applications. According to GM, "The crankshaft is shortened 13 mm – 3 mm at the flywheel end and 10 mm at the accessory drive end – to reduce the length of the engine compared to the 6.0L. All accessories are driven by a single serpentine belt to save space. The water pump is mounted remotely with an elongated pump manifold that connects it to the coolant passages. Revised oil pan baffles, or windage trays, are incorporated into the LS4 to ensure that the oil sump stays loaded during high-g cornering." [7] Active Fuel Managemment is also used. Output of this version is 303 hp (226 kW)/300 hp on LaCrosse Super and 323 ft�lbf (438 N�m).

Grabbed that off Wikipedia...

Also

http://en.wikipedia....t_of_GM_engines

Edited by MRLXSS, 07 November 2008 - 12:22 PM.