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HOLDEN GEAR NOBS

Started by _dave720gtr_ , Mar 05 2006 04:15 PM

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#1 _dave720gtr_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 04:15 PM

Noticed that in my wanted post for the holden/ torana m20-21 gear nobs that every ones got a coment on which is the right one for the right car [ plaine ,rowbuck,.depress . no depress] 72gtr this L34 that" BLARR BLARR BLARR" yet the guys that have owned these cars from new sit back and" LOL" and say nothing ? this subjec needs some ones input
that knows what there tallking about so is there some holden gear nob exspert out there
that can shed some light on this as there are alot of different coments regarding wich
car /torana had what nob? an its confuzing please help as i think others would like two no this two ,
And its not that i think you guys that posted in my thred onthis subject dont no what your tallking about some of you may have owned these cars from new its just
confuzing , IF YOU WERE REBUILDING A GT,HO3 YOU WOULD WHANT THE RIGHT NOB on it
SAME APPLYS TO A GTR OR XU1 to me anyway, plus thay whant $39.95 for the shift paten plate for the lj conconsole i dont want too payfor it if i dont need it
some of you,s prob think who give a shit

So witch torry had what nob ??here we go AGAINE BIG CAN OF WORMES
PLEASE ONLY POST IF YOU REALY NO

.....DAVE..... :spit:

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#2 _doublin gtr_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 05:46 PM

were was it built and when :huh:

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#3 _lx5008_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 07:40 PM

hi dave720gtr spent the last hour looking in books of new cars. ok first a ht monaro has a rough gear knob with the h pattern on the console. a hq sandman and a hj gts monaro have the same. also a lh torana slr is also rough with the h pattern on console. a lx slr/a9x has the h pattern on the knob. so it seens that if a vehicle has the h pattern on the console it does not have it on the knob. also there is a photo of a lj xui but its hard to see if its on the console or the knob sent your e mail address and i will sent the photos. i hope this helps. ps all the photos are taken from holden books and sales posters of new cars.

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#4 _dave720gtr_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 08:41 PM

anthony your right 5/72 bris built so it seems that the early lj had the grain /rowbuck style nob

lx5008 email sent soundes like you been busy :spoton:

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#5 _devilsadvocate_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 09:24 PM

Hmm, a nob who knows Holden gears, best of luck old chap.....

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#6 _lx5008_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 09:30 PM

thats a bit rough

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#7 _doublin gtr_

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 09:36 PM

dave very early lj gtr,s had the H & depress dont know about xu1,s
but gm3300 has a very original gtr built around the same time as yours and it has the shift plate and grain knob so it would be a safe bet to go with that on your car
hope this helps

Edited by doublin gtr, 05 March 2006 - 09:37 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 06:58 AM

I'm not real up on my LC LJ's, But I'm fairly sure my mates LC 71 Bathurst XU1 has the knob with the shift pattern and depress, but i think some LJ had the robuck? grain. As far as LH LX goes, LH had the grain and the shift pattern was printed on the console, most LX had the shift pattern on the knob.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 10:29 AM

my mates LC 71 Bathurst XU1 has the knob with the shift pattern and depress

Mine is the same.

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#10 jpxu1

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 10:57 AM

Hi,
I have an April '73 GTR which I have owned since March '76. Back then it only had 25K's on the clock and was completely original/unmolested, so no reason to believe the gear knob/console would have been tampered with. The gear knob has the H pattern with 'Depress' and no shift pattern plate on the console. :spoton:

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#11 _doublin gtr_

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 06:20 PM

jp is that a adelade or brisbane car

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#12 _gm3300_

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 09:56 PM

here is a list of the various knobs fitted to LC/LJ
Torana's. It appears as though that in practice
many cars were fitted with different knobs as
standard, this could well be traced to a supply issue
at the time of manufacture, if the evidence you
have supports the type of knob and console your car
had from new then it would be correct, the parts
book only provides info if things where built
correctly, it doesn't allow for changes or disruption
to supply of parts during manufacture.
So starting from the beginning (you might want to grab a beer, there's quite
a list)
LC-Opel Box
KNOB-exc GTR-2811208
KNOB-GTR-2808589

LC-Aussie 4 speed
KNOB-2817736
KNOB-Lock nut-2805499

LJ-RHD-Aussie 4 speed
KNOB-2817736
KNOB-Lock nut-2805499
KNOB-GTR-2817737

LJ-LHD-Opel Box
KNOB-2811208
KNOB-Lock nut-2809216

HQ-Aussie 4 speed 6/8cyl
KNOB-Floor shift(no console)-2817736
KNOB-Lock nut-2805499
KNOB-Console shift-2817737

The 2817737 knob is the textured knob, the 2817736 knob is the
shift pattern knob. The Opel knob has a different size thread
hence the different part number.
I've included the HQ info because it uses the same patterned
knob as the LJ when using a console with a shift pattern plate.
I would say if your GTR/XU1 had a shift pattern knob then its likely
that other cars built at the same time would also be the same, also
it appears as though early cars had carry over parts from LC's, an
example is the "acorn" wheel nuts on early LJ's, the good thing is
with such a strong interest in the cars now more and more info
is coming to light.
grant

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#13 _hg350_

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 03:17 PM

All LJ XU1's have the roebuck grain knob. So yes you will need the H pattern plate for your console.

The knobs are no longer available from Holden.

If you want an exact repro knob, let me know. Dont waste your money on the rare spares one, they arent even close to what an original one looks like.

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#14 jpxu1

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 11:21 PM

Dublin, It's an Adelaide build :spoton:

Cheers

jpxu1

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#15 _doublin gtr_

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 06:10 AM

i had a 6/73 brisbane built it had robuck
my 3/72 adelade has H pattern
grants brisbane has robuck
jpxu1 73 adelade H pattern
these are all gtr,s so it may be another brisbane adelade thing
all xu1s ive seen had robuck :blink:

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#16 _hg350_

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 11:04 PM

OK

Here goes

Holden production/design provided there would always be a visible shift pattern to the driver in a floor shift be it auto or manual. Except in the case of the very early LC XU1's & GTR's. XU1's received the HG 350 GTS knob and thus had no shift pattern displayed, and GTR's got the HK woodgrain knob which matched the steering wheel. These are the only exception as it was pre the ADR rule that required a visible shift pattern.

It was either on the knob itself or the console never both.

So in the case of LC XU1 (except those mentioned above) these cars DID NOT have the H pattern plate for the console, so they got the H pattern depress knob. As did LC GTR.

LJ XU1 had the roebuck grained knob as that model had the H pattern plate on the console from beginning to end of the model run

LJ GTR had the same as LC XU1 & GTR ( H Pattern knob) as they came standard with a console without the H pattern plate.

HQ GTS, LH/LX SLR, all had the LJ roebuck knob

LX SS hatches all received the H pattern knob for the obvious reason that there was nowhere to place the shift pattern on the console.

Standard A9X received the H pattern knob

T10 gearboxed A9X's received a unique white knob with black H pattern
c/- GM USA

Some people would think I have a knob fettish, but I just like to call it a mild infatuation :tease:

And before anyone ask's

PETER WISHES

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#17 _dave720gtr_

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 03:57 PM

WELL there it is in black and white

thank you HG350 top work

regards gave :spoton:

And thanks to every body :clap:

Edited by dave720gtr, 10 March 2006 - 04:03 PM.

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#18 _gm3300_

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 01:53 PM

LJ GTR had the same as LC XU1 & GTR ( H Pattern knob) as they came standard with a console without the H pattern plate.

Hi hg350, could you please provide the information that supports this theory? All the evidence i have says the robuck knob was used on the 82911 model. thanks
grant

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#19 _hg350_

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 08:17 PM

By the fact that as I mentioned above a new ADR came in that required a VISABLE shift pattern on 4 speed cars.

AS GTR'S DIDNT have a H pattern plate on the console, they got the H pattern gear knob.

Also a quick look at a parts book you will see that GTR's have a different knob listed to an XU1

The Above APPLIES TO LJ

Roebuck was NEVER used on LC's.

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#20 _finer70_

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 08:49 PM

Where does this knob fit??

I have GTR's 70's build with Opel box. The knobs I have found for these is the smoothe H patern but they do not have depress. You do not need to depress to select reverse with an Opel just push sideways and up.

The first LC XU1 had the Opel so would it not have the same knob? If not, what would it have been?

The depress would be needed for the Ausie box I think.???

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#21 _gm3300_

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 09:48 PM

hg350 said

AS GTR'S DIDNT have a H pattern plate on the console, they got the H pattern gear knob.

In the LJ parts book i have is this listing
PLATE - Gear shift pattern - 82911 part no 2815059
is this wrong?
torrynut has some pics posted of his 7/72 GTR, i don't know if the
console in this car is original, but it also has a shift pattern plate.
(mine is a late june car 27.06.72)
here's the pic, you can see the plate behind the boot(small square). thanks again
grant
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#22 _gm3300_

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:49 AM

here's the text from the book, the 82911 model (GTR) is the
only listing with the gear shift plate, if anyone has further
info please provide it
grant
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#23 _hg350_

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 08:36 AM

I stand corrected on the parts book info, I shot off at the mouth without double checking. My mistake.

But

If you refer to all Holden print advertising at the time I have yet to see an interior picture of a GTR with a H pattern plate on the console, actually all pictures I have of brand new GTR's show the H pattern knob.

I have owned 2 GTR's, one was a second owner car that was untouched and it did not have a H pattern plate and it still had the remains of the H pattern knob. The second car while it had many more owners, it was still pretty much all there and again it did not have a H pattern plate. I have seen a couple of still with the original owner LJ GTR's and none of these had the H pattern on the console.

The parts book while always the best source of determining what is right and wrong also has mistakes in it. And there were always cars that ended up with something that they normally wouldnt have. I feel that from my experience that 99.9% of GTR's I have come across had the H pattern knob so I believe this to be the correct knob.

Where were the 2 cars you referred to built ?

Finer you are right there was no depress I just didnt check what I typed before I posted. I had to many knobs to think about :rolleyes:

Either way

I think the best rule to follow is

If you have a H pattern console, you use the Roebuck knob

If you dont have the H pattern plate for the console you use a H pattern knob.