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#1 _NZ Toranaman_

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:59 PM

Well I finally bolted my Hilux diff into my LC on the weekend and apart from the offset being a bit wider its all good.

I am running a 3.9 open diff until my 4 spool LSD gets here on Friday. These things are near indestructable and as its only a 202 so it should give trouble free running. The benefits of the Hilux for me are strength and the cheap price and the no need to cut the housing and they are like the banjo and come out the front so easy to change ratios if I wanted to.

The brakes are from a 92 Hiace as is the diff head (Hiace and Hilux share the same), the handbrake turned out simple and I have modded the the Hiace cable and spliced it into the LC wires.

The stud pattern is now 6 cylinder commodore as I am about to change the front discs to HQ as I bought a front end already done a year or 2 ago for this conversion.

I threw on the 15" VL Calais mags on with 205x65x15 and the gearing is sweet for the road plus the Potenza 205x60x14 tyres are now on standard Commy rims which sit them about 5mm further in the guards than they used to. I will use these for drag racing.

Rare Spares in Christchurch used a jig to make sure all the mounts were exactly in the correct place and a local engineering shop modded the 6 stud axles to suit 5 stud commy pattern.

The driveshaft was handled by a local company and they added my Toyota uni to a new shaft and V8 Commodore Yoke for strength.

I am using the existing brakeline to the splitter on the diff and ran new brake lines from the holden splitter to to each wheel.

Only thing left is to balance the wheels and go racing in a week and a half hopefuly with my new 4 spool LSD or else I will have to run my spare 4.3LSD with the 15" wheels and see how it goes lol...

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 07:39 PM

Hi, do you have some pictures at all? Sounds good though, what was your old ratio?

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 08:10 PM

Hi, do you have some pictures at all? Sounds good though, what was your old ratio?

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I'll take some pics on the weekend, I have been running a 3.55 but have held out for another 3.9 as it suits dragging better. I will be in top gear before half track then its a 5+ second 1/8mile run in top gear.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 08:26 PM

I'll take some pics on the weekend, I have been running a 3.55 but have held out for another 3.9 as it suits dragging better. I will be in top gear before half track then its a 5+ second 1/8mile run in top gear.

That would be great, thankyou.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 07:55 AM

The 4.37 would be my pick for racing, I'm using a 4.88 & 26" tyres.
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Posted 18 June 2009 - 11:17 AM

How much did it cost you all up to get the diff in there and modify the stud pattern to commodore?? Also in regards to the vl calais wheels I am thinking about running them on my lc coupe and would like to know wat the fit it like?? have u fitted them up front or just in the rear? If your not keen to say the price in this thread just pm me.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 04:39 PM

Well cost is a balance as I was able to do my usual dealing with some bits but others were worth the cost...
Bear in mind that this is in kiwiland $

I bought a Hiace diff with 3.9 ratio and as i wanted the brake setup for $200
I sold the 3.9 ratio head for $290 and the axles for $90 (stockcars boys love the 5-stud axles)
So I made $180 on that deal.

The diff housing I used was given to me along with another 3.9 as the 4wd guys don't like the early diffs as they have smaller tubes and are the narrowest. They come standard with off-road baffles as well.

The 4 Spool LSD cost $250, Driveshaft $200 and diff conversion $225, brake line $25, clamps for the handbrake $12
Axles used were 6 stud turned down and restudded $110
I havn't included oil or brake fluid.
$822 - $180 = $642

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 05:18 PM

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Here are a couple of pics... I have to shorten the handbrake cables and weld the sockets properly.... and join the cables on the weekend. don't laugh to hard at my home made bits :)

The physical size is not much different to the Banjo it replced

Edited by NZ Toranaman, 18 June 2009 - 05:20 PM.


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Posted 20 June 2009 - 02:55 PM

How much did it cost you all up to get the diff in there and modify the stud pattern to commodore?? Also in regards to the vl calais wheels I am thinking about running them on my lc coupe and would like to know wat the fit it like?? have u fitted them up front or just in the rear? If your not keen to say the price in this thread just pm me.

Cheers


Heres a couple of pics with the Calais wheels on the rear.... the front will come by next year after I sort out the final ratio in the rear. I will also get rid of the extra ratios and the standard Hilux LSD. I have to transfer the 3.9 crown wheel to the new 4-spool and give that a go for a couple of months.

The tires I want are 205x55x15 Bridgestone Adrenalin as they look like they should be a nice tire and they are approx the same size as the 14's I have been using. These 65 series are a bit tight at the rear where the guard curls under, i took a close up of the area. Now remember that I have a different offset than standard now so yours will sit further in.
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Posted 20 June 2009 - 03:06 PM

Heres a couple of pics with the Calais wheels on the rear.... the front will come by next year after I sort out the final ratio in the rear. I will also get rid of the extra ratios and the standard Hilux LSD. I have to transfer the 3.9 crown wheel to the new 4-spool and give that a go for a couple of months.

The tires I want are 205x55x15 Bridgestone Adrenalin as they look like they should be a nice tire and they are approx the same size as the 14's I have been using. These 65 series are a bit tight at the rear where the guard curls under, i took a close up of the area. Now remember that I have a different offset than standard now so yours will sit further in.
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Looks very good, be very interested to see what times you run with the new set up,

Regards Simon

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 03:16 PM

great bit of kiwi ingenuity well done i like it

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

great bit of kiwi ingenuity well done i like it


I hope it all goes well as I have heard that the Hilux diffs are not that strong. A mate of mine has a fairly high horse power car and tried the hilux diffs. Blew every time. He then went to Ford Courier diffs and no hassles so far....and thats after some punishment!

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:46 AM

I hope it all goes well as I have heard that the Hilux diffs are not that strong. A mate of mine has a fairly high horse power car and tried the hilux diffs. Blew every time. He then went to Ford Courier diffs and no hassles so far....and thats after some punishment!


Your mate may be correct in one thing high horspower and the standard LSD I am told is not a good mix but the 4-spool LSD is what the competition guys go for which is what I aquired. BTW these are standard issue in the IRS Turbo Supra GA70 and interchangable.

Can you tell us what sort of HP and what size car he was using, was the unit checked and adjusted and I assume it was drag racing?
I can tell you that these have been put behind a huge mix of smaller cars with no problems but like the supra 5-speed if you start throwing huge torque into them thats the killer not the HP.
BTW the Supras here are running 10 second 1/4 miles on these with no problems and the Supra is not any way a lightweight.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 09:38 AM

Here is a few more for the interested showing the physical size differance compared to the banjo and also the handbrake cable.
The Hilux in the pic is a standard 4.3 ratio LSD thats going in as a temporary until the 4-spool 3.9 is ready
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:04 AM

Nice job !


Any thoughts on how easy or hard it would have been to retain the Torana 13 inch wheels ?

Obviously you could not fit 13 inch wheels over the Hilux brakes, so could you use the Torana drums/brakes over the Toyota axels ?



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Posted 21 June 2009 - 10:24 AM

Nice job !


Any thoughts on how easy or hard it would have been to retain the Torana 13 inch wheels ?

Obviously you could not fit 13 inch wheels over the Hilux brakes, so could you use the Torana drums/brakes over the Toyota axels ?



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I reckon it would be difficult but then anything is possible.
The physical size of the hilux bearing would not allow it to fit the holden brake plate so you could turn the hilux axle down but you still need to seal the hilux axle tube with some sort of adapter. simple enough if you wanted.
I am going to get some LSD oil and will have the LSD installed within the hour then the tidy ups on the handbrake and bleed the brakes....
Thats where I love the quick change of the banjo over the hilux as the holden leaves the brakes behind on the axle but the Hilux brakes are stuck to the axle and you have to undo the brake lines unless you use flexi lines when changing diffs. Although its still far better than a salisbury type :)
Ideal for a competition car where you could take along a variety of ratios and choose the best ratio on the day. 3.7(Supra) - 5.5(rock climber)

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 04:22 PM

Can you tell us what sort of HP and what size car he was using,
was the unit checked and adjusted and I assume it was drag racing?
I can tell you that these have been put behind a huge mix of smaller cars with no problems but like the supra 5-speed if you start throwing huge torque into them thats the killer not the HP.


Hi,
I am almost ashamed to say, but the car my mate has is a rotary. :D It is a mazda RX4. By no means standard he has spend $100,000+ on it and the majority of that would be on the drive train. And it is a high HP engine.
It is not a drag racing car and sorry I do not know if it was checked or adjusted. (I assume it would have been.)
Anyway he went through a few Hilux diffs before changing to the courier unit and has had no breakages.....so far.

BTW.... I am in NZ as well.

Cheers,
Scott.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 07:52 AM

I've had a Hilux diff fitted to my LJ for 3years without any signs of probs. at this stage. I have a CIG locker( full spool is also available from Romac), not an LSD. I machined the axle bearing surface to suit Holden wheel bearings so that Holden disc brakes could be fitted,which haven't be fitted at this stage. The axle tubes have a machined surface at the ends which I then used the ends from a VL borgwarner diff machined to fit the Hilux tubes. As I change ratios from 1/4 1/8th,it takes about 40 minutes on the ground or much quicker on a hoist. There's also a 3.54 ratio that was fitted to Toyota Crown & maybe fitted to the newer Hilux.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 05:18 PM

Well I finally bolted my Hilux diff into my LC on the weekend and apart from the offset being a bit wider its all good.

I am running a 3.9 open diff until my 4 spool LSD gets here on Friday. These things are near indestructable and as its only a 202 so it should give trouble free running. The benefits of the Hilux for me are strength and the cheap price and the no need to cut the housing and they are like the banjo and come out the front so easy to change ratios if I wanted to.

The brakes are from a 92 Hiace as is the diff head (Hiace and Hilux share the same), the handbrake turned out simple and I have modded the the Hiace cable and spliced it into the LC wires.

The stud pattern is now 6 cylinder commodore as I am about to change the front discs to HQ as I bought a front end already done a year or 2 ago for this conversion.

I threw on the 15" VL Calais mags on with 205x65x15 and the gearing is sweet for the road plus the Potenza 205x60x14 tyres are now on standard Commy rims which sit them about 5mm further in the guards than they used to. I will use these for drag racing.

Rare Spares in Christchurch used a jig to make sure all the mounts were exactly in the correct place and a local engineering shop modded the 6 stud axles to suit 5 stud commy pattern.

The driveshaft was handled by a local company and they added my Toyota uni to a new shaft and V8 Commodore Yoke for strength.

I am using the existing brakeline to the splitter on the diff and ran new brake lines from the holden splitter to to each wheel.

Only thing left is to balance the wheels and go racing in a week and a half hopefuly with my new 4 spool LSD or else I will have to run my spare 4.3LSD with the 15" wheels and see how it goes lol...


Hi mate,

You've done some bloody good times with your car, keep up the good work!

I'm looking at putting a Hilux diff in my LJ, what year or model did your housing come out of? How much difference in width was there?

Cheers

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 05:44 PM


Well I finally bolted my Hilux diff into my LC on the weekend and apart from the offset being a bit wider its all good.

I am running a 3.9 open diff until my 4 spool LSD gets here on Friday. These things are near indestructable and as its only a 202 so it should give trouble free running. The benefits of the Hilux for me are strength and the cheap price and the no need to cut the housing and they are like the banjo and come out the front so easy to change ratios if I wanted to.

The brakes are from a 92 Hiace as is the diff head (Hiace and Hilux share the same), the handbrake turned out simple and I have modded the the Hiace cable and spliced it into the LC wires.

The stud pattern is now 6 cylinder commodore as I am about to change the front discs to HQ as I bought a front end already done a year or 2 ago for this conversion.

I threw on the 15" VL Calais mags on with 205x65x15 and the gearing is sweet for the road plus the Potenza 205x60x14 tyres are now on standard Commy rims which sit them about 5mm further in the guards than they used to. I will use these for drag racing.

Rare Spares in Christchurch used a jig to make sure all the mounts were exactly in the correct place and a local engineering shop modded the 6 stud axles to suit 5 stud commy pattern.

The driveshaft was handled by a local company and they added my Toyota uni to a new shaft and V8 Commodore Yoke for strength.

I am using the existing brakeline to the splitter on the diff and ran new brake lines from the holden splitter to to each wheel.

Only thing left is to balance the wheels and go racing in a week and a half hopefuly with my new 4 spool LSD or else I will have to run my spare 4.3LSD with the 15" wheels and see how it goes lol...


Hi mate,

You've done some bloody good times with your car, keep up the good work!

I'm looking at putting a Hilux diff in my LJ, what year or model did your housing come out of? How much difference in width was there?

Cheers


The housing was a freebie as it was going to be thrown to the dump, I believe it was a very early version and it was narrower than the other 2 I ended up with.
I measured my LC and with the brakes on it was around 25mm wider than the LC if this hleps.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 06:08 AM

The housing that your after comes from an RN-10/15/20/25 Hilux which are all pre 1979.The complete diff is 1357mm drum to drum.The RN-30 onwards is 1425mm which is too wide for the LC/LJ.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 06:14 AM

The housing that your after comes from an RN-10/15/20/25 Hilux which are all pre 1979.The complete diff is 1357mm drum to drum.The RN-30 onwards is 1425mm which is too wide for the LC/LJ.


So I wonder if that would make it about right for a LH?

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 06:32 AM


The housing that your after comes from an RN-10/15/20/25 Hilux which are all pre 1979.The complete diff is 1357mm drum to drum.The RN-30 onwards is 1425mm which is too wide for the LC/LJ.


So I wonder if that would make it about right for a LH?


The early ones have seam welds and from looking from the rear they go along the axle tubes each side then split and look like a Y on there side. The later versions had no visible welds.
Now the one thing I noticed was that there were 2 different lengthed early versions so be careful, maybe warrenm can confirm this.
If an LC/J can fit it without narrowing then it would be easy for your LH after all the LC/J is in fact a HB underneath.

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 08:22 AM

I have a housing and centre from a rn25 from a 1/76 hilux ute sitting here in the paddock. Axles are in but no brakes.




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