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Dry sump 308

Started by _rocket_ , Sep 25 2009 07:24 PM

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#1 _rocket_

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 07:24 PM

Has anyone had a dry sump setup on a 308. Whats the best pan ? 2 stage or 3 stage ? BDG ?

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#2 dattoman

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 08:37 PM

I would think 3 stage
BDG are a good pump but exxy
Lots of US speed shops sell pumps etc s/hand on ebay
Make own pan

Have a look at Howards... bit bigger than a 308 but the theory is there

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#3 _rocket_

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 09:01 PM

Thanks datto, will check it out.

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#4 Litre8

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 09:31 PM

I would think 3 stage, either 3 scavenge from the sump or 2 from sump and one from lifter valley (depending how much oil tends to hang around in the top of the motor). Next choice is gear or gerotor, each have their pros/cons. Gerotor will pull more vacuum while gear are more debris tolerant... For sumps talk to someone who builds circuit race engines.....

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#5 _rocket_

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 06:59 AM

Thanks Howard.

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 10:40 AM

^Btw, great photobucket collection!

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 03:54 PM

Where are you on this Rod?

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#8 _rorym_

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 05:31 PM

Buy an open wheeler.
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#9 _rocket_

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 05:52 PM

I think I already have a dry sump by the looks of the bearings !

Where are you on this Rod?

Pissed & broke at this stage !

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 09:37 PM

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 10:59 PM

I think I already have a dry sump by the looks of the bearings !

A9X, on 20 October 2009 - 03:54 PM, said:

Where are you on this Rod?

Pissed & broke at this stage !

Would be funny if it wasn't the normal state of affairs in a motorracing home.

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#12 orangeLJ

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:01 AM

In terms of technical knowledge for this Ive got bugger all to add to the conversation.

BUT!

I see alot of cheap dry sump setups (for chevs obviously, but adaptable to anything) go through the speedway (sprintcar) circles.

The last swap meet had a shitload of bits flying around at decent prices.

May be worth looking at as a cheaper way to get the setup, up and running.

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#13 _rocket_

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 12:02 PM

I have been having a check on ebay, sounds like it is the answer to the problems, or at least some insurance.The Cars is in pieces atm, so I have a bit of time (and no money )to plan it all . Ian Kell is bringing me up a group c sump at xmas to copy, so will make a decision after that, in which way to go. So all in the planning stage right now, and hopefully the Airconditioning installs will fire up soon to pay for it all.

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#14 _The Baron_

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 02:18 PM

I have been having a check on ebay, sounds like it is the answer to the problems, or at least some insurance.The Cars is in pieces atm, so I have a bit of time (and no money )to plan it all . Ian Kell is bringing me up a group c sump at xmas to copy, so will make a decision after that, in which way to go. So all in the planning stage right now, and hopefully the Airconditioning installs will fire up soon to pay for it all.

So you had a gated/baffled sump and now want a dry system?

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#15 _rocket_

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 02:42 PM

Well sort of, I thought the sump was ok, but Ian said it wont work, the red light on the dash only came on going through the dipper, so we put another litre of oil in, and that solved that problem, but obviuosly it didnt by the sound of speaking to someone with experience on wet sumps, so the next step was check out Ians sump and make 1, or go the dry sump route. Theres 2 pics on my photobucket link below, see what you think ?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:48 PM

I'd be keen on seeing any pics,
i'm also looking at dry sump, but mainly to remove some oil from the pan, and lower the engine.

Just looking though, other than blowing oil up the dipstick tube, i don't have any issues.

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#17 dattoman

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 08:42 PM

Have a look at Howards car
Its dry humped

I have parts of a dry sump system laying around for the datto I will never use

I think the only part that might be any good to anyone else is the tank though

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 12:39 PM

high energy make sumps for pretty much anything when asked including dry sump pans.
how baffled is your sump, coz they also make some very intricate wet sumps for circuit cars, these are expensive for a wet sump but cheaper than a dry sump.
COME engines were going to make an adaptor plate that bolts to the holden oil pump location, which a dry sump pump could mount to and was drilled to feed oil to the engine. they made one for daryl mcbeths all alloy holden in the magna show car. they still may have the drawings or be able to make one.

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#19 _rocket_

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 01:46 PM

Well, I ve picked up a dry sump pump 4 stage off ebay for $390, Ive ordered the sump before I left, not sure if its done yet, so this is my last attempt with a 308, before a chev.Ill use the BDG adapter and pulley kit. Its a couple of months off, but hopefully will be a reliable engine, it would be nice to actually be able to take it home for once without having to rebuild it.