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#26 REDA9X

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 08:24 AM


IT COULD HAVE EASILY HAD A CHASSIS RAIL REPLACED


for sure,but should of been reregistered one way or another,a police number issued,you carn,t just use another cars i.d and not be detected, if it is done legitimatly.


How many cars though have had a front ender, gone to the panel shop, they've cut the rail from another car and sent it on it's way. As long as it's been registered in the same state the whole time it would probably never get picked up.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 09:54 AM



IT COULD HAVE EASILY HAD A CHASSIS RAIL REPLACED


for sure,but should of been reregistered one way or another,a police number issued,you carn,t just use another cars i.d and not be detected, if it is done legitimatly.


How many cars though have had a front ender, gone to the panel shop, they've cut the rail from another car and sent it on it's way. As long as it's been registered in the same state the whole time it would probably never get picked up.


yes your right in modern times,
but around ten years or so ago at rego time in n.s.w,they had to check chassis numbers for a 12 month period,i guess to catch out vehicles with incorrect chassis numbers.
i guess if a car was stolen and recovered the insurance company would have some issues in paying.

back to this car, have we got a chassis number to see if there was a small mistake from factory
or is it not what it seems,would hate someone to spend big coin on it,no engine as well.

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Posted 09 January 2010 - 11:37 AM

yes your right in modern times,
but around ten years or so ago at rego time in n.s.w,they had to check chassis numbers for a 12 month period,i guess to catch out vehicles with incorrect chassis numbers.
i guess if a car was stolen and recovered the insurance company would have some issues in paying.

back to this car, have we got a chassis number to see if there was a small mistake from factory
or is it not what it seems,would hate someone to spend big coin on it,no engine as well.
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I've only ever had the RTA require a chassis number check 3 times in the last 25 years. Once when I first bought my SS as it had been regoed in VIC and I'd bought the car and handed in the plates, it required a full check over the pits. That was about 1990. When the car was later stolen and recovered and put back on the road over a year later (1993) it required a check at the RTA office. The car had been damaged at the front and they needed to check all the numbers, I had to sand back the fresh paint over the chassis number to prove nothing was wrong which really annoyed me after waiting a year. The next time was in about 2001 when I finally registered the A9X after having owned it 6 years. I bought it in QLD and did all the required stolen and REVS checks in NSW and QLD. In 2001 they required me to do it all again for some strange reason, then it had to go to get a blue slip where all the numbers were rechecked, but it didnt have an RTA inspection. Since then it's been a simple trip to get a pink slip each year where they usually check the sericeability of the car more than anything else. I could have easily smashed it repaired it and the RTA would be none the wiser and if the chassis number was changed it would probably not be picked up till the car was sold. I've looked at plenty of cars, including A9X's that have had that rail replaced and retained the number of the car it was taken from with no police numbers or any other changes.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:14 PM

I don't know what to think of the whole i.d plate thing as I rang Holden in regards to a so called genuine 5000 that I was set to buy. When the guy asked for the vin chassis number I started rattling off the BLH------ number that was stamped into the body, when he interrupted me and said that it was not the chassis number. As far as any other car i've had, the actual numbers stamped into the body (not on a plate) is the chassis number. Anyway after having an argument with him he said it's the 15 digits starting with 8 (small thin tag)!!!! How hard is it to swap that and the other 2 plates over?????? Not even, swap thin one and right hand one that way the number on the left plate and the body stamp still match up!!!!


GMH identifies vehicles only by the VIN (the small thin tag) whilst registration authorities use the chassis number. The difficulty today is that GMH do not have any records linking the VIN and chassis numbers Posted Image
Consequently a GMH confirmation letter can tell you no more than what the tags were attached to 30+ years ago. In Victoria the old Vicroads registration cards had the chassis number and engine number recorded and these details are now held by the Association of Motoring Clubs (AOMC) It is therefore possible to check if the chassis number originally had an HT prefix engine number.

The following links may also be helpful.

http://www.gmh-toran...topic=3669&st=0

http://www.holdentor...com/lookup.html



Ok, now to make it even more confusing here are some factors that could come into play.

You say that rego authorities would have that info but it sounds like that varies from state to state. In SA the VIN/ chassis number was not recorded for cars built before 1984. Both of my Torana's have N/A under that heading. The only numbers recorded are the engine number and number plate digits.

From what I have heard as well, in the eastern states if a car is stolen/recovered it is allocated and stamped a new chassis number. But that is just what i've heard.

There is also the 'con man' factor where someone has tried to make an A9X,etc out of a sunbird,etc by diddling the plates and changing some parts of course.

Then there is REDA9X's reply where a car involved in an accident could have had a chassis rail replaced.

Like I said in earlier post, it is very hard to find a 'genuine' car nowadays.


Do you have the original owners manual? The cars details with all the numbers should be recorded in the front cover.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 03:07 PM

Easily wouldn't be the term I'd use for a rail replacement, and it would be automatically apparent, even to the uninitiated that the work had been done. �A registered vehicle (esp. in NSW) is, and always has had, to have an inspection when the area containing the chassis number has needed replacing - as someone stated, it is integral to the identity of the vehicle.

I know the rigmarole we had to go through when a VB Commonwhore we had was found to have an S on the end of the chassis number, and had never been registered with the extra alpha- on the papers. �Never had a front-ender either.

If it is evident that a chassis rail has been replaced, then I would accept that it just needs to be sorted, but if the chassis rail seems to be the original item, then that would indicate a reshell. �That's not to say there is an issue in this case.

Let's see the chassis number for this vehicle - if not consistent then some good pics of the rail and surrounding area. �If again no joy, then I'd be checking that chassis number with the RTA to ensure there is no "correct" vehicle with this number. �Then investigate how you would need to go about registration. �Transport up here allows it - many other Transport authorities do not.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 07:24 PM

Hi Guys.

I have just been advised that the chassis no N98####P is a police issued no. As the car was locally owned I was able to find out the original engine was written off and work done on the front end of the car, hence the new stamp from the fuzz.

Cheers,

Nik

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 06:19 AM

Nik, there are a number of reasons your car could have been issued a police number, such as accident damage or original number tampered with due to theft. This is a whole lot better than the unexplained chassis number of an unrelated vehicle. There have been many SLR5000s issued police numbers in the course of 30+ years, including mine. If your police number follows the numbering pattern of Victoria Police the first two digits are the year the number was issued, yours maybe 1998? As you have experienced it is now more difficult to satisfy buyers that the car is legitimate, but as Toranavista said, it doesn't look like the tags have been removed. We have all seen tags that have been roughly removed and put back with the nearest pop rivets or a handy self tapper. Your car also has other features suggesting an SLR5000.
In my view a police number is not the kiss of death reducing the value of your car to an equivalent mock up. The value/price of the car will be negatively affected to some extent as buyers will make their own call based on what they see. It may help if you can document the issue of a police number through a letter from the registration authority and past owners.




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