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#1 biga064

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 11:23 AM

Hi whats the best harmonic balancer to use for a high revving red 6 ( 6000 - 7000) rpm ? What are you guys using ? Thanks

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 11:41 AM

Hi Adam,

6cyl red motor, I'm using Romac 0201R, seems very good so far,

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 11:45 AM

i bought a powerbond race balancer for a motor im building. romac make balancers too. probably steer clear of any other brands apart from these 2



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Posted 10 January 2010 - 02:30 PM

B & M are meant to be good too, but i'm not sure who sells them or if they are made anymore? Think they might have been a little more $$$ than the romac.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 03:27 PM

Romac or powerbond.

Thats your options.

I have a Powerbond race balancer.

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 08:02 PM

I bought a Powerbond Race balancer for my 235 stroker 186 at the Summernats today. Looks the goods, machined steel and Aussie made - how can you go wrong?

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 08:33 PM

SikRoDoMoflex balancers are O.K too. :spoton:
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 11:47 PM

can you move that balancer Rodomo so i can finish the cross word???

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 06:35 AM

Thanks guys i will keep looking around . Ive been told to find the biggest and heaviest i can find .The powerbond and romac look no heavier than standard. Thanks again Adam

SikRoDoMoflex balancers are O.K too. Posted Image Are these balancers for real ? where can you get one ? Thanks Adam
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:55 AM

I use a Romac and I can tell you its considerably heavier than standard.

If you want heavier then I think a Massey Ferguson tractor balancer was the answer.



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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:58 AM

What about Ross tuffbond balancers ? Aussie made !!!

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 08:07 AM

Ross / Tuffbond / Powerbond

All same company

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:41 PM

May have been at one time but definately not anymore !!!!!

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 04:26 PM

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 05:05 PM

any chance of an inline 6 chev balancer fitting? summit racing have fluid filled balancers to suit the inline chev 6. might be a good one for the stroker?

http://www.summitrac...rts/FLU-720101/

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 06:37 PM

any chance of an inline 6 chev balancer fitting? summit racing have fluid filled balancers to suit the inline chev 6. might be a good one for the stroker?

http://www.summitrac...rts/FLU-720101/

The Chev straight 6 (250-292 etc) and 90deg V6 balancers are dimensionally the same as the SB balancers (and in some cases the same p/n is used for all three applications). I'm unaware of any others that are a bolt-on fit with the Holden six. Bigger balancers can be sleeved down to fit (keeping in mind the torque loadings that the sleeve has to transmit) but would require a bigger seal boss be welded into the timing cover. The big block Chrysler balancer looks good - it's relatively narrow and has a big enough bore to allow a reasonably thick-walled sleeve. You just have to house the (much) bigger front seal.
Edit: it just occurred to me that you might have more options if you dont turn the snout of the Ford (stroker) crank down to the Holden diameter. NFI what the snout dia. of a 221 crank is though...

Edited by oldjohnno, 11 January 2010 - 06:40 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:01 PM


any chance of an inline 6 chev balancer fitting? summit racing have fluid filled balancers to suit the inline chev 6. might be a good one for the stroker?

http://www.summitrac...rts/FLU-720101/

The Chev straight 6 (250-292 etc) and 90deg V6 balancers are dimensionally the same as the SB balancers (and in some cases the same p/n is used for all three applications). I'm unaware of any others that are a bolt-on fit with the Holden six. Bigger balancers can be sleeved down to fit (keeping in mind the torque loadings that the sleeve has to transmit) but would require a bigger seal boss be welded into the timing cover. The big block Chrysler balancer looks good - it's relatively narrow and has a big enough bore to allow a reasonably thick-walled sleeve. You just have to house the (much) bigger front seal.
Edit: it just occurred to me that you might have more options if you dont turn the snout of the Ford (stroker) crank down to the Holden diameter. NFI what the snout dia. of a 221 crank is though...


not sure if 221 is same as 250, but a bloke with a crossflow cortina that runs aspo mid 11's down this way sed he had the crank turned down only a small amount for a sbc balancer, wait, mightve been balancer reemed out and the bum of it turned down, cant remember but he reckons it was not much trouble at all. Fixed his flexplate coming loose as well Posted Image

food for thought

Edited by greens nice, 11 January 2010 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:13 PM

just curious, how do you modify the massey fergusson unit to fit?

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:19 PM

You should know how to do it Kevin as thats what they put on Jim Rowley's motor in the late 70's for the Duel torana. I have an article on it in an old book of all the mods he did to his motor to get it to rev to the 10,000rpm he claims it was doing.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 09:20 PM

not sure if 221 is same as 250, but a bloke with a crossflow cortina that runs aspo mid 11's down this way sed he had the crank turned down only a small amount for a sbc balancer, wait, mightve been balancer reemed out and the bum of it turned down, cant remember but he reckons it was not much trouble at all. Fixed his flexplate coming loose as well Posted Image

food for thought


That's very interesting. I just looked it up and the Ford snout is only a few thou bigger than the SBC, so it would probably be an easy conversion. I'd definitely give it a go on a stroker six..

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 12:57 AM

Are these balancers for real ? where can you get one ? Thanks Adam


Mate, these balancers are UNREAL !

Seriously, I was having trouble with the outer ring moving (budget track car that sees 6500 - 7000rpm occasionly.)

More of an XU-1 copy than a full on performance balancer.

So far, so good.

http://www.gmh-toran...ic=12177&st=225

Edited by rodomo, 12 January 2010 - 12:58 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2010 - 06:06 AM

I use a Romac and I can tell you its considerably heavier than standard.

If you want heavier then I think a Massey Ferguson tractor balancer was the answer.


Yes the Romac weighs 3.6kgs and the B & M weighs 4kgs as i have both and correct B & M are no longer available.So your choice is the powerbond at 2kgs ro the all steel Romac at 3.6kgs or do the Massey Ferguson tractor mod as Craig and Old Johnno have said.

Jeff




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