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[FastEHHolden]

They have different fronts...and grills...HQ front indicators are in the bumper, HJ on the nose cone....HX on the nosecone but different grill....or are you taking about the "commercial" grill..alloy squares, ugly looking thing.

Ith ID plate usually gives it away.

[Potta]

This is my HJ if that helps.

I think you'll find a lot have been fitted with GTS fronts and HQ nose cones over the years because they look better....

[yel327]

A question regarding the original 1-Tonners Hq-Hj-Hx-Hz, they all have the same HQ style front originally how do you tell the difference???? Different mirrors, different trays??? They all look identical to me

You can't tell them apart immediately by looking. Not all HJ-HZ tonners used the HQ style front either. Special Vehicle package BO6 (Ambulance) used the equivalent HJ-HZ Premier front on both tonner and panel van. Plus you could also order another special vehicle package XY7 for at least HJ-HZ that still gave you the commercial front but had chrome grille, headlight surrounds, hub caps and bumper bar + bolts. Here is the easiest way in the absence of ID plates, to tell them apart.

HQ - HQ dash with steel glovebox front;
HJ - wide HJ speedo except where GTS dash fitted. Then look for high beam switch on floor and wipers on fascia. Also had full rat-trap clutch and big firewall harness plug like HQ but no holes for accelerator linkages as HJ used full cable. Small ID tag rivet holes except very first of HJ. Retractable seatbelt mount holes at about shoulder height in cabin (even for 1974 HJ which didn't have retractables).
HX - white needle dash, no RTS badges on guards or on dash;
HZ - RTS badges, yellow needle dash. Late HZ (approx 8th or 9th month 1978 onwards) had twin clutch pedal pivot points. Rear swaybar mounts on body. Not much else different from HX.

[Potta]

The wide speedo is super cool....

[yel327]

Yes, it's one HJ thing my HJ Premier is missing as it's got a factory full instrument (GTS) dash. The Kingswood one is pretty good as it has more guages than the Holden/Belmont one.

Edited by yel327, 29 March 2010 - 06:26 PM.

[Potta]

Mine has a speedo, fuel gauge and idiot lights.....that's it....

Except I've now added a temperature gauge for added peace of mind.

[Ice]

This is my HJ if that helps.

I think you'll find a lot have been fitted with GTS fronts and HQ nose cones over the years because they look better....

Hqs nose cones look better so you say potta i think your on it my friend potta that is as for 1 tonner f$#^%^g ugly imho.G

[yel327]

A question regarding the original 1-Tonners Hq-Hj-Hx-Hz, they all have the same HQ style front originally how do you tell the difference???? Different mirrors, different trays??? They all look identical to me

You can't tell them apart immediately by looking. Not all HJ-HZ tonners used the HQ style front either. Special Vehicle package BO6 (Ambulance) used the equivalent HJ-HZ Premier front on both tonner and panel van. Plus you could also order another special vehicle package XY7 for at least HJ-HZ that still gave you the commercial front but had chrome grille, headlight surrounds, hub caps and bumper bar + bolts. Here is the easiest way in the absence of ID plates, to tell them apart.

HQ - HQ dash with steel glovebox front;
HJ - wide HJ speedo except where GTS dash fitted. Then look for high beam switch on floor and wipers on fascia. Also had full rat-trap clutch and big firewall harness plug like HQ but no holes for accelerator linkages as HJ used full cable. Small ID tag rivet holes except very first of HJ. Retractable seatbelt mount holes at about shoulder height in cabin (even for 1974 HJ which didn't have retractables).
HX - white needle dash, no RTS badges on guards or on dash;
HZ - RTS badges, yellow needle dash. Late HZ (approx 8th or 9th month 1978 onwards) had twin clutch pedal pivot points. Rear swaybar mounts on body. Not much else different from HX.

think your confusing them for the vans/utes
one tonners where like the coupes and kept the hq style front till the wb upgrade and to my knowledge the ambo pack wasn't offered

Way off the mark! The only HQ-HX coupes to have HQ nose were HQ. HJ LS had HJ Premier front, HJ GTS had HJ GTS front, HX LE had it's own front but basically HX GTS with Premier nose.
Yes tonners used HQ style front, unless they were an Ambulance pack (BO6) where they got Premier front (from HJ-HZ) and also Premier doortrims and armrests. BO6 was available on tonner and panel van.

[micklx]

they have the same differences as there sedan counterparts....

Looks like there's more to it than this....

Seems like quite a complicated model.

[Potta]

So WTF is that on my tonner?

That isn't a HQ nose, its not a HJ Premier nose, and I'm pretty sure its not an ambulance pack.

[Potta]

Oh, fair enough then. That's good to know.

Thanks Ozbox

Edited by Potta, 31 March 2010 - 04:35 PM.

[yel327]

I think they were dependant upon the body fitted.

[Potta]

I could be wrong but I would guess that the big mirrors are found on the commercial models.

I think maybe I am wrong.

Just checked wikipedia where there are two pics of a 1 tonner and a ute with the commercial fronts but normal mirrors.

http://en.wikipedia....olden_Kingswood

[yel327]

That HJ on the Wikipedia site has normal 1-tonner long arm mirrors. These were standard for HQ-WB. The big mirrors were fitted as an accessory for some reasosn - probably to see better!

[Potta]

They'd be great if you could adjust them!!

I quite often have to stick a hand out to move the mirror so I can see what I need to see....not looking forward to winter

[Potta]

Oh, good to know. I spose I can't call it stock anymore then. Its got a radio and aftermarket mirrors!!

I spose they add value??