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When I built my yellow Torana, I could legally register it with a full roll cage that I had engineered, it had to have padding from shoulders up.
Ive heard you cant get a cage engineered and registered on the road these days?
Can anyone confirm this or is it still possible?
Full roll cage in LH TOrana
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 05:48 PM
You can, but its incredibly difficult, from what i have gathered anyway.
Four points are fairly easy, specially if you dont have anyone in the back seats, six point is harder, side intrusion bars are heavily frowned upon.
The bar work cant interfere with forward vision at all, so with the Toranas tiny little A pillars thats hard to do.
But yeah thats just what i've heard, not entirely sure.
Four points are fairly easy, specially if you dont have anyone in the back seats, six point is harder, side intrusion bars are heavily frowned upon.
The bar work cant interfere with forward vision at all, so with the Toranas tiny little A pillars thats hard to do.
But yeah thats just what i've heard, not entirely sure.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 06:35 PM
OK.
While Im at it, I should ask about a couple more things.
Legallity of racing seats (would try use the original mounting points in the car)?
Racing Harnesses. Also trying to use the original mounts. ?
I dont care about the back seat, I'll probably leave it out anyway and it'll just be a two seater.
While Im at it, I should ask about a couple more things.
Legallity of racing seats (would try use the original mounting points in the car)?
Racing Harnesses. Also trying to use the original mounts. ?
I dont care about the back seat, I'll probably leave it out anyway and it'll just be a two seater.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 08:31 PM
Alright, in QLD you can have after market seats so long as there correctly mounted, dont necessarily need to use the orig mounts. Im not sure if you can have fixed backs in a car that came out with adjustable though.
And harnesses are legal so long as you dont use them on the street, you must have the original belts in there still and use them on the street.
Also if you have harnesses going to the parcel shelf then you cant have anyone in the back seat.
Again, AFAIK and thats in QLD.
Cheers.
And harnesses are legal so long as you dont use them on the street, you must have the original belts in there still and use them on the street.
Also if you have harnesses going to the parcel shelf then you cant have anyone in the back seat.
Again, AFAIK and thats in QLD.
Cheers.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 09:52 PM
Leigh, try Bond Roll Cages in Sydney. They should know the answer in relation to rego requirements. They also still do original type roll cages for the Torana's. It's always been difficult to get them rego'd with them in, dunno why, just the way it is.
Even in the race cars, the bars in the vicinity of the driver need to be padded. You can pic up the pipe insulation type stuff from Revolution Racegear, as well as the harder rally car type absorbing material for standard pipe sizes. Both available in various colours, including Yella!!!
Even in the race cars, the bars in the vicinity of the driver need to be padded. You can pic up the pipe insulation type stuff from Revolution Racegear, as well as the harder rally car type absorbing material for standard pipe sizes. Both available in various colours, including Yella!!!
Edited by Yella SLuR, 03 April 2010 - 09:58 PM.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:08 PM
I have seen a few bond cages recently in cars at work, as part of the mine sites new requirement of ROPS.
If you actually follow the guidelines for QLD they dont comply, but for some reason there blue plated.
Probably why there three times the price they should be.
Not bagging out the company at all, the cages are absolutely beautifully made and in my mind they SHOULD be legal....
Cheers.
If you actually follow the guidelines for QLD they dont comply, but for some reason there blue plated.
Probably why there three times the price they should be.
Not bagging out the company at all, the cages are absolutely beautifully made and in my mind they SHOULD be legal....
Cheers.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:16 PM
Alright, in QLD you can have after market seats ...
Should read;
... you can have after market seats that are ADR approved...
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:27 PM
Ok, you cant have a milk crate...
How do you tell if there ADR approved or not??
Drivers seat in my LJ is mod platted, has no tag or anything saying its approved???
Im curious, i've never really heard about ADR approved or non ADR approved after market seats.
Cheers.
How do you tell if there ADR approved or not??
Drivers seat in my LJ is mod platted, has no tag or anything saying its approved???
Im curious, i've never really heard about ADR approved or non ADR approved after market seats.
Cheers.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:46 PM
^ But you can't use those seats for racing, because CAMS needs them to be AS or FAI approved. ADR rules only apply to normal road use. Just a nice bit of marketing crap. As the majority of these dudes if they are approved to the Australian Standard or the FAI requirement, and you'll get a puzzled look.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:46 PM
So they just say there ADR approved when you buy them from Autobarn??
I think what i ment is is there any tag thats supposed to be on them? Or a required document?
Or just a guideline they must follow?
Been several years since i got mine mod plated.
Cheers.
I think what i ment is is there any tag thats supposed to be on them? Or a required document?
Or just a guideline they must follow?
Been several years since i got mine mod plated.
Cheers.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:51 PM
Examples of ADR Seat Manufactures:
Velo: http://www.velo.com.au/, http://www.velo.com....loSizeChart.pdf
-Most are ADR, but 'VeloSizeChart.pdf' has a nice list that shows if ADR or not.
Autotecnia: http://www.autotecni...m.au/seats.html
-All? (maybe not A2008?) are ADR
OBX: http://hgeconsulting...aceworx/obx.htm
-All ADR apparently
Them be the AS2008 etc you be looking for on the seat.
Velo: http://www.velo.com.au/, http://www.velo.com....loSizeChart.pdf
-Most are ADR, but 'VeloSizeChart.pdf' has a nice list that shows if ADR or not.
Autotecnia: http://www.autotecni...m.au/seats.html
-All? (maybe not A2008?) are ADR
OBX: http://hgeconsulting...aceworx/obx.htm
-All ADR apparently
So they just say there ADR approved when you buy them from Autobarn??
I think what i ment is is there any tag thats supposed to be on them? Or a required document?
Cheers.
Them be the AS2008 etc you be looking for on the seat.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 11:05 PM
My SAAS seats have a tag/sticker attached to the webbing.
This seat has been manufactured to comply with code of practice ref. no. VSB 5A.
Applicable ADRs 3/02 and 22/00
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 11:05 PM
Aha, beautiful, cheers for that mate.
Takes this brain a while to catch up sometimes.
Cheers.
Takes this brain a while to catch up sometimes.
Cheers.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 08:34 AM
in nsw you can not have a roll cage of any description anymore.i was the cause of the streetmachine artical a few years ago now. i had a cage in my car and had to cut it out...
the rta's excuse is that it makes it to hard to cut you out of the car incase of an accident,my rebuttle was if i was in an accident and the cage had to be cut,it would have saved me already.
in saying that,you *may* find a few country engineeers that arent upto speed on some of the rules.if you know what i mean
the rta's excuse is that it makes it to hard to cut you out of the car incase of an accident,my rebuttle was if i was in an accident and the cage had to be cut,it would have saved me already.
in saying that,you *may* find a few country engineeers that arent upto speed on some of the rules.if you know what i mean
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 11:08 AM
Same as what moot said,engineers won't put their signature on a report for a car with a cage in it anymore.
A mate has a 9sec 200sx who got defected,he had to cut his cage out to get his car passed again...then he had to get it welded back in or he would'nt be allowed to race it.Lot of money wasted.
Best bet I think if car is not min tubbed etc is to go with a bolt an approved 4pt cage,can run as quick as 10.00.
A mate has a 9sec 200sx who got defected,he had to cut his cage out to get his car passed again...then he had to get it welded back in or he would'nt be allowed to race it.Lot of money wasted.
Best bet I think if car is not min tubbed etc is to go with a bolt an approved 4pt cage,can run as quick as 10.00.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 11:43 AM
There is one way.....register it on concessional registration as a rally car. Only limitation is that you can only drive to and from CAMS events, or between stages.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 11:45 AM
Sounds like its either build a race car or a street car these days, cant have both in one.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 02:27 PM
It realy is bull crap isn it just to say no your "not alowed"
.Based on what.It looks way to !!! COOL !!!
.And we don't realy care about your safty we just don't wont to go thru to many cutting discs to get you out in your accident.Like Come on lol. When iv,e seen how meny people have walked away in ridiculously serious motor sport accidents clearly because of the cage
.I feel for all of you,I,ve got 6 point cages in a couple of my road cars 
witch where build to comply but still legal here in vic.But you can't win if you evan fart here the cops will get you 
since all the hoon laws.
.Based on what.It looks way to !!! COOL !!! .And we don't realy care about your safty we just don't wont to go thru to many cutting discs to get you out in your accident.Like Come on lol. When iv,e seen how meny people have walked away in ridiculously serious motor sport accidents clearly because of the cage .I feel for all of you,I,ve got 6 point cages in a couple of my road cars witch where build to comply but still legal here in vic.But you can't win if you evan fart here the cops will get you since all the hoon laws.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 03:31 PM
No Paul, its based on the prinicple that cars have highly engineered crumple zones to absorb forces in car accidents from different angles.
A roll cage not only does away with these crumple zones, but can increase the likelyhood of injury to persons in a car you are impacting, or injury to other persons within your car, unless of course they are strapped in to race seats with race belts etc.
at the end of the day, your comment needs to be reversed.
From 'why ban them, 'cos they look cool?' to
'Why do you need a roll cage in a street driven car? To look cool?'
Welby
A roll cage not only does away with these crumple zones, but can increase the likelyhood of injury to persons in a car you are impacting, or injury to other persons within your car, unless of course they are strapped in to race seats with race belts etc.
at the end of the day, your comment needs to be reversed.
From 'why ban them, 'cos they look cool?' to
'Why do you need a roll cage in a street driven car? To look cool?'
Welby
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 03:51 PM
Welby, Isn't your hatch street registered with a cage? They do have a purpose for some, and at times its very convenient to be able to make trips on the road.
So basically now, if your car runs 10's or quicker, you cant have a roll cage in it on the street, but you need one on the strip.
Maybe I should just give up and join all the others who are on drugs etc for fun. Cause there is not much else your allowed to do anyway without getting into trouble.
And the counteraction is, especially in Victoria, as I think someone else has said, they introduce all these hoon laws, no burnouts, racing etc. And yet there is no where for people to go where they can actually do it off the street. And plus.. once u get off the street, u need a roll cage,, and your not allowed one on the street. So what do u do? get a roof rack and strap your roll cage to the roof, when you get to the track you can bolt it in. Then before you leave unbolt it all and head home.
FFS. Whats the world coming too
So basically now, if your car runs 10's or quicker, you cant have a roll cage in it on the street, but you need one on the strip.
Maybe I should just give up and join all the others who are on drugs etc for fun. Cause there is not much else your allowed to do anyway without getting into trouble.
And the counteraction is, especially in Victoria, as I think someone else has said, they introduce all these hoon laws, no burnouts, racing etc. And yet there is no where for people to go where they can actually do it off the street. And plus.. once u get off the street, u need a roll cage,, and your not allowed one on the street. So what do u do? get a roof rack and strap your roll cage to the roof, when you get to the track you can bolt it in. Then before you leave unbolt it all and head home.
FFS. Whats the world coming too
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 03:54 PM
I am with you welby, if someone collieded with my drag car i would hate to be them.
What i cant understand though is all the rally cars with rego and roll cages.
What i cant understand though is all the rally cars with rego and roll cages.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 03:54 PM
The NCOP has provisions for four point and four point cages that can be converted to six point when used off road.
See page 33 onwards of the NCOP7 Section LK Seating and Occy Protection 3Feb2006.
See page 33 onwards of the NCOP7 Section LK Seating and Occy Protection 3Feb2006.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 04:06 PM
Leigh, its just the government discriminating against us, the modified car loving community, because were a minority group mate.
And because were a white minority group born in Australia, we get ignored.
Now if we were from a different country or a race other then Caucasian, we would get waited on hand and foot.
Thats not directed at you Welby, i can see what you are saying and i agree, to an extent.
Cheers.
And because were a white minority group born in Australia, we get ignored.
Now if we were from a different country or a race other then Caucasian, we would get waited on hand and foot.
Thats not directed at you Welby, i can see what you are saying and i agree, to an extent.
Cheers.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 05:45 PM
Hi Leigh
Yes mine has a cage, which is why i posted the detail above. I've done the why's wherefores and i know the arguments.
I'm not buying into it either way, but was answering Paul's question why.
Regarding my old girl, as much as i like to think of her as my sunday car, she belongs on a track. As a 'dedicated race/rally' car, the girl wears RWA number plates now, which is the replacemnet for the old 'b rego'.
Yes mine has a cage, which is why i posted the detail above. I've done the why's wherefores and i know the arguments.
I'm not buying into it either way, but was answering Paul's question why.
Regarding my old girl, as much as i like to think of her as my sunday car, she belongs on a track. As a 'dedicated race/rally' car, the girl wears RWA number plates now, which is the replacemnet for the old 'b rego'.
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