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Posted 28 September 2010 - 02:43 PM
just looking at my hq prem has no engine code on its passenger side tag.it says eng ??? m40 trimatic gv3 cant remember what diff that is but the engine bit is blank from factory it has not been defaced? i have never seen this before they all have l20 l31 l32 l36 l16 or something any ideas?it is a 253 or 308 at the moment?
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 07:43 PM
Most HQ's are blank, just like LJ's. Only get a code if it has an optional component for the model. There are 4 x HQ Premier models (6cyl sedan, 6cyl wagon, V8 sedan, V8 wagon). Standard engine for a V8 Premier (either model, which yours is one of) is 253HC, so if it was ordered with a 253HC then it'll be blank. Standard box is an M15 3spd, auto was optioned so it has M40. Same with GV3, standard diff is 3.36 Salisbury. This has been optioned with a 2.78:1 Salisbury hence GV3. It's the GV3 that gives it away as a V8 model too.
Edit - if it was a standard V8 Premier (253, 3spd 3.36), it would be blank in all 3 spots!
Edit - if it was a standard V8 Premier (253, 3spd 3.36), it would be blank in all 3 spots!
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 09:00 PM
thats awesome i knew somebody would know you learn something everyday.so if it came with a 308 or 350 it would have the codes for those engines in the spot where it is blank.a 2.78 salisbury bit of a freeway cruiser bonus fuel wise. would probably be a single spinner not a limo.im going to give this a lick of paint and sell it now i can advertise it correctly.that is if no one has put a 308 in it in the intervening years or another salisbury.thankyou
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:24 AM
Yes. 308 would have L31. As far as I know no Premier sedans were ever made with a 350, but there were 4 x wagons. These would have L30 but would also be M41 (TH400). All 4 x of those are known and still exist though.
You'll see the same pheomena on late LJ. Just look at any GTR or XU-1. Standard box was an M20 so they are both blank in the RRAXLE section. GTR will also be blank in the ENG part and in the diff as well if it has the standard banjo (3.08 from memory), most XU-1 have G95 as they are 3.36 which is not standard for a GTR.
You'll see the same pheomena on late LJ. Just look at any GTR or XU-1. Standard box was an M20 so they are both blank in the RRAXLE section. GTR will also be blank in the ENG part and in the diff as well if it has the standard banjo (3.08 from memory), most XU-1 have G95 as they are 3.36 which is not standard for a GTR.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:13 PM
i have a mint julep julep whatever hx kingswood here plate says l31 m44 it had a t400 factory your saying m41 for t400 or do you mean t350?.next time im round at where the car is ill take a pic of the 3 tags and the car .also had a hz wagon here i stripped had no motor or box with l31 m44 on tags.and 1 tonner with l31 m44 on tags still got the 400box/308motor out of the tonner.i have heard that some hz/wb statos had t350/t400 s and some vbch dunnydoors had t350s mostly sle's to run them out .also another 1 tonner with hz l20 (202) and m22?i take it that is just another 1st gear ratio variation of the m20 dont know if it has 1 or 2 notches on the input shaft.also have a couple with l16 4cyl i think that means not sure. one torana with l13/m20/g96 and the lj 4 door hasnt even got anything on any of its 3 tags that say eng /trans/rraxle for them to even be blank it is 6/72 with model number of 82369?????whatever that means . a 253 coded l36 /m20 in a vh and a vh sle coded l36/m40 which would be 253/trimatic is there a book or ready reckoner ????it would be handy.also would i have seen others like l22 or l26?? representing 6 cylinders.all of this without even deciphering the diff codes.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:38 PM
TH400 is M41 in HQ-HZ and VB Commodore. When TH350 replaced TH400 in mid HZ and VB it still kept M41. It wasn't until VC and WB were released that M38 was used for TH350. TH350 was standard auto in VC and WB behind 308 and was replaced in 1982 by trimatic (M40).
M22 in HQ-WB is just the wide ratio aussie 4spd (6cyl only). Normally found in 1-tonner but optional on other HQ although from memory it wasn't called an M22 in HQ, was plated as an M20 commercial box (just like XU-1 box was an M20 XU-1 box but closer ratio rather than wider). Also standard behind 6cyl when 4spd specified in HQ commercials. I think once HJ rolled around it was confined to 1-tonner usage right up into WB.
M20 ona TA just means it was a 4spd. You see it on 4spd Geminis as well. Just means the standard 4spd for the vehicle.
Prior to about 12/72 the BODY plates showed no driveline info.
L36 is the 4BBL 253HC in VC-VH and WB.
L23 is low comp red 202. Not sure about L26.
M22 in HQ-WB is just the wide ratio aussie 4spd (6cyl only). Normally found in 1-tonner but optional on other HQ although from memory it wasn't called an M22 in HQ, was plated as an M20 commercial box (just like XU-1 box was an M20 XU-1 box but closer ratio rather than wider). Also standard behind 6cyl when 4spd specified in HQ commercials. I think once HJ rolled around it was confined to 1-tonner usage right up into WB.
M20 ona TA just means it was a 4spd. You see it on 4spd Geminis as well. Just means the standard 4spd for the vehicle.
Prior to about 12/72 the BODY plates showed no driveline info.
L36 is the 4BBL 253HC in VC-VH and WB.
L23 is low comp red 202. Not sure about L26.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:29 PM
You are a wealth of info it probably is m41 im getting old now just keep seeing m44 in my not so photographic memory.guess i was lucky to come across those 3 with 400s in a row but when you think about it thats probably the reason why they werent scrapped earlier as oppose to being L20 m40 or L32 m40 .what is the G96 in the torana 3.89? or 3.55?.was L16 a 4 cylinder code?
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:59 PM
Not sure about G96. G95 is 3.36 From memory L16 is Opel and Starfire but probably also used for earlier stuff. Do you still have the tags for the L31 M41 tags and don't need them? I am missing a few sets of tags from my collection and some of the 308 tonners are amongst them. Would be interested if you want to swap something for them. I do want a set like 308 tonner tags for the Sandman book, not a Sanmdna I know but a special vehicle package.
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 09:45 PM
definately got the hx tags but the wagon has gone and so has the tonner.i never thought to keep those tags.those cars were just doners for my other holdens .from now on if they represent anything decent ill drill them off .the only decent tags i have now are on my hj monaro and they are staying there.lol .ill see what i can dig up
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:59 AM
I had a HZ 308 TH400 tonner as well, but I sold it. So still looking for a set of tags off any HJ-HZ factory 308 tonner. HJ especially as they did exist, but there is no evidence in GMH procedures of them. I have the HZ ordering procedure that shows you could order a 308 HZ tonner, but nothing for HJ (or HX).
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 02:46 PM
tell you what would have been a good one factory q or j tonner with a 350 ci and t400 it would have been possible to get one and with a 3.08 or 3.36 limo.a bloke at glenmore in between mt hunter and the oaks had a white wb tonner with a 308 4spd and a gts dash factory he was in his 70s.i remember his story of his battle to get what he wanted he said 253s were for ladys.poor bugger left us sadly but the tonner i believe is still at his sons house at glenmore unregistered should do a recky run on saturday.the son was the local auto retrimmer for years hopefully its still in one peice.
i have an L20 m40 plated hz tonner here if the other 2 tags are any help to you
i have an L20 m40 plated hz tonner here if the other 2 tags are any help to you
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 04:25 PM
I have seen a late WB 1-tonner in L31 M40 spec, but never seen a 308 4spd in any tonners. You'll never find a 308 HQ tonner, in fact any V8 tonner before about 2/73 and this will be one reason why a 350 version was never made as 350's were starting to get few and far between by mid 1973. GMH did build 2 x 350 M41 HQ utes, one being the E'wet (Sandman prototype). U17 full instrument dash was quite common to in HJ-WB commercials, especially WB Kingswood ute.
If you can find that 308 4spd WB 1-tonner and get me photos of the ID plates i'll be forever grateful! i'd love to buy it too if you don't.
If you can find that 308 4spd WB 1-tonner and get me photos of the ID plates i'll be forever grateful! i'd love to buy it too if you don't.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 04:49 PM
G96 = 4.125 ratioNot sure about G96. G95 is 3.36 From memory L16 is Opel and Starfire but probably also used for earlier stuff.
L16 = 1900 Opel
L18 = 1.9 Starfire
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 04:59 PM
82369 = Torana S (6 Cyl) 4 Door sedanthe lj 4 door hasnt even got anything on any of its 3 tags that say eng /trans/rraxle for them to even be blank it is 6/72 with model number of 82369?????whatever that means .
is there a book or ready reckoner ????it would be handy.
My book (60 Years of Holden) is the only one with every Holden model & driveline code listed.
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Posted 30 September 2010 - 06:31 PM
thankyou dr terry one more please dr terry L13.is that book still in print its what 2 yrs old now???
ta torana L13 =4cyl?gemini engine isuzu? the plate does have tf on it
and for sale one set of 4.11 gears rarer than sex after marraige lol !!!!!and the 4 door s has to be better than a 4 door what sl?
and thanks yel327 ill try and track down that tonner on saturday get mr nimoy and the in search of team on to it.
ta torana L13 =4cyl?gemini engine isuzu? the plate does have tf on it
and for sale one set of 4.11 gears rarer than sex after marraige lol !!!!!and the 4 door s has to be better than a 4 door what sl?
and thanks yel327 ill try and track down that tonner on saturday get mr nimoy and the in search of team on to it.
Edited by rob350hatch, 30 September 2010 - 06:34 PM.
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