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2 Door Sedan? .... or Coupe?

Started by _TorYoda_ , Mar 07 2011 07:24 PM

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#1 _TorYoda_

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:24 PM

I have a question that intrigues me, especially considering how particular so many owners can be about having everything exactly 'Right' on their cars..........

Why is it so many 2 door LC LJ owners insist on calling their vehicles a 'Coupe' when the plate clearly states them to be a "2 Door Sedan"? (well, my 10/73 2 door 'S' does anyway, along with every other one I have seen so far) :blink2:

Most insurance companies will charge you a higher premium for a 'Coupe' as it's considered a 'sports car'. A sedan is usually in a lower premium classification. Mine is insured (much to the irritation of my insurance company) as a 2 door sedan as specified on the plate. They insisted it was a 'Coupe' until I provided proof it was indeed a 2 door sedan.

Anyone able to offer me some enlightenment why so many owners insist on mis-classification of their LC LJ 2 door's as a Coupe? :dontknow:

I'm not rying to start a fight here... just genuinely intrigued. :surrenderwave:

Cheers.

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#2 _melvins_

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:41 PM

Cant give you any answers but I was also puzzled when I looked at the ANDRA handbook and for some of the classes it said something along the lines of 'Sedans only' but when I looked at the photos and class records there were 2 door cars everywhere. I did a net search on the word sedan and found it could still be used for 2 door cars. I'm sure theres an explanation somewhere.

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#3 _Viper_

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:43 PM

Im actually not that familular with LC-LJ's but are the C-pillars the same between the 2-doors and 4-doors? If there the same id call them a 2-door Sedan... If the C-pillar is unique to the 2-doors and has abit more slope id call them a Coupe

Just another example... In europe the Gemini equivalent is the Opel Kadett C and they have a 4-door Sedan, 2-Door Sedan (C pillar is the same) and a 2-door Coupe (Different C-pillar)

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#4 _Ozzie Picker_

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:53 PM

actually,i,ve never called my xu1 a coupe,just a 2 door torana.

maybe because it has a B pillar,but my monaro,s i,ve always called a coupe.

this is very interesting as i had never thought about it before.

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#5 _finer70_

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 07:55 PM

The description of vehicle body styles has been around for around 100 years.

In the veteran and vintage era the following applied:

Tourer 4 doors with folding top. Today it is a convertable

Coupe 2 doors with hard top. Today the same applies. Some manufactures still refer to it as a sedan. Cortina did the same.
Basically these were cheeper versions of a sedan. But genetically they are a COUPE.

Sport Coupe with 2 sedan type doors with folding top. Today well I have not seen one.

Sedan 4 door with basically a hard top. Today a 4 door sedan.

Californian Hard Top with 4 sedan type doors but with a folding top. Again not seen one today.

Roadster 2 doors with folding top and dickie seat or boot Today a 2 door sports car with filding top; still called a Roadster.

There were other body style designations that are too detailed and have no equivalents today.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:17 PM

Holden and the A.D.R Class the 2 Door LJ a 2-Door Sedan and thats what it is,its not a Coupe or ever been a Coupe

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:48 PM

A coupe is pillarless.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:57 PM

its to do with the silhouette of the two cars (2 and 4 door)
if the silhouette of a 2 door is the same as a 4 door i.e the roof line/shape of the car is the same, then its a 'sedan'. so in the case of the 2door lc/j toranas, they are the same as a 4 door. the only difference is that they have a different number of doors.
whereas if you look at hktg's the monaro is a coupe not a sedan as the silhouette of the car is different between the 2 and 4 doors.
the 2 door roofline swoops down differently.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 09:01 PM

Hi

A 2 door sedan shares the same silouette as the 4 door sedan. A couple has a different silouette. Therefore a 2 door Monaro is a coupe and the 2 door LC/LJ is a 2 door sedan..

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 09:09 PM

^great minds think alike eh bazza

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 09:44 PM

Ol' fred:
http://www.gmh-toran...__coupe__st__25

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#12 dattoman

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 10:08 PM

A coupe is pillarless.

Don't tell any Datsun 1200 coupe owners that
Its not determined by the amount of pillars

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#13 _niterida_

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 10:33 PM

To be technically correct Coupe is actually derived from French and relates to the amount of space inside the vehicle - it has nothing to do with the number of doors, pillars or roofline.

However modern interpretations of the word are as basically stated above - a 2 door with a different silhouette to the corresponding 4 door.

But then is a 2 door car that doesn't have a 4 door version still a coupe ??

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 07:30 AM

Agree with niterida, it is a #@$^%& up english interpritation of a french word.

Better still how do you define the sex of your car, most of mine have female, a teen, quite a few middle aged and the odd old boiler, but one car I just got seems to be male, is it true how do you tell?

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 08:37 AM

A coupe is pillarless.

Don't tell any Datsun 1200 coupe owners that
Its not determined by the amount of pillars

Which one is the coupe?

Theres three different 2 doors that I know of.(and Im ashamed to have that knowlege).
I think one is a 120y,so Im not sure if that counts..

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 09:22 AM

My 1000's are coupes too... and they have pillows

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 09:31 AM

You made me think Terry...but my cars must be children....they wont do what they are meant to!!!

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#18 _Woodsy_

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 10:52 AM

Lx Hatchbacks have COUPE on there compliance plate as well

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 05:39 PM

My 1000's are coupes too... and they have pillows

Fluffy?

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#20 _TorYoda_

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 10:37 PM

Thanks for your input and the discussion so far guys. Like some of you, I have always thought ot the 2 door Monaro's as coupe's (because of the different roof line) and the LC/LJ Torana as a 2 door sedan. I have learned a bit more though so far... the pillar (or lack of it) I found interesting.
As for male or female all my vehicles (cars or bikes) seem to be sterile as I refer to them objectively as 'It' . My current Torana is often called 'The Turd'. Cheers. ^_^

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#21 _Viper_

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 10:43 PM

Gemini Coupe's also have a B-pillar, but have a different roofline to the Sedans.

When does a car become a fastback? or is that just a mustang thing

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#22 yel327

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 05:49 AM

Maybe also look to the Chevrolet descriptions, eg 1957 you could get 2 and 4 door sedans. The difference is the B pillar from memory. However they don't call the 2 door hartop a coupe.

2-door sedan
2-door hardtop
4-door sedan
4-door hardtop
2-door convertible
2-door Station wagon
4-door Station wagon

Like others above I always thought the HK-HX 2 doors were coupes as they had no B-pillar, and the LC-UC 2 doors were 2 door sedans due to the window frames and B-pillar. However I never really thought about the LX-UC having COUPE on the ADR plate, so maybe the roofline difference is on the mark.

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 07:53 AM

My 1000's are coupes too... and they have pillows

Arent there a couple of different 2 doors in the 1000s as well?

I would consider the boxy,upright one a 2 door sedan.

Once again,I apologise for even knowing what a datsun is. :blush:

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Posted 09 March 2011 - 09:47 AM

Yes there is a 2 dr sedan... and a coupe... different from the windscreen back
Nothings the same, doors , roof, screen... all of it

And yet... a 1200 ... the coupe screen will fit sedan...