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#1 UCANG

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 04:29 PM

I have been spending a little bit of time on a side project (for my Toranas of course), I have always wanted a panbrake, but paying $1200 for one that I would only use a handful of times doesn't attract me. That and having it only bend 1.5mm mild steel or something.


So I decided to make my own.


This only cost me about $50 in materials and I had a few things lying around, as did my dad.


This is basically as it sits without the top clamping piece. It's two lengths of 10mm (i think) angle iron, they have been notched out for clearances (where the hinges are) and two hinges made (using a pin and a sleeve). 1 half of the hinge is welded to one bit, and the other to the other bit of angle.
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This is a closer look at the hinges. You would also notice the long threaded bolt with the spring. The top bit of angle that clamps onto the sheet metal is drilled out so it can slide up and down the threaded bolt. The spring is there to help you lift it back up once you undo the wingnuts.
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As you can see, the part that isn't bolted onto the edge of the table can easily be lifted up and can bend over 90 degrees.
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Another look at the hinge. The holes are just a lubricating access point or something haha
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This is where a pole can slide into the sleeve so you can get as much leverage as you like (the longer the pole the better leverage obviously)
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This is the top clamping piece of the brake. The top edge was grinded flat so a hole can be drilled so the threaded bolt can go through.
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The edge on the left was grounded flat for more crisper bends
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You can see where a little bit of steel was welded in there for the spring to sit straight
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There is basically the whole unit. Spring holds it up, slide sheet metal in...
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This is me pushing the clamping section down, screw the wingnuts down for a nice clamping effect. (much better than using g clamps)
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Trial bend with some galv
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and this is after I bent some 2.5 mm steel
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Look for how much it cost, and the time it took to make, it does what I want for a smidgen of the price. only 99% complete, I just have to bolt it to my bench give it a lick of paint or something.

Thanks for letting me share

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 04:33 PM

Love it! :clap:

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 04:35 PM

I gave Nero my shitty welding helmet. Stopped auto darkening. He loves his toys.
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Posted 07 May 2011 - 05:11 PM

mate that has come up perfect and for 50 clams you cant go wrong as saves bending sh*t in the vice and breaking it ( like i did :dontknow: ) in the pic where you have bent the 2.5 it looks like it has gone past the 90 degree point or is it just the angle the pic was taken? not that i would be complaining. very handy to have it in the shed :buttrock:

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 06:10 PM

mate that has come up perfect and for 50 clams you cant go wrong as saves bending sh*t in the vice and breaking it ( like i did :dontknow: ) in the pic where you have bent the 2.5 it looks like it has gone past the 90 degree point or is it just the angle the pic was taken? not that i would be complaining. very handy to have it in the shed :buttrock:



Thanks for the feedback nial8r, yeah it did bend past 90 degrees but I didnt use a square or anything. Just trialled a thick bend to see if it'll work!

and it did! :)

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 07:53 PM

That's really inspiring. I wouldn't have thought it would work so well. How long a piece have you tried bending? When you bend long lengths, the clamp section may distort, giving you an uneven fold. The upper blade/clamp on factory folders is extremely large for this reason.

This is something many of us could probably use: a cheap folder for those occasional jobs. It would be great to know its limits.

BTW, what sized bend radius did you get? If you wanted to get fancy, you could have an adjustable folding blade to suit different thickness sheets, or to vary the radius.

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 08:53 PM

I've got one of the el cheapo Chinese ones that is basically the same size and design (possibly slightly lighter duty) and its surprising how well it works for all those small sheet metal jobs, good stuff

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 11:21 AM

That's really inspiring. I wouldn't have thought it would work so well. How long a piece have you tried bending? When you bend long lengths, the clamp section may distort, giving you an uneven fold. The upper blade/clamp on factory folders is extremely large for this reason.

This is something many of us could probably use: a cheap folder for those occasional jobs. It would be great to know its limits.

BTW, what sized bend radius did you get? If you wanted to get fancy, you could have an adjustable folding blade to suit different thickness sheets, or to vary the radius.



Hey Steve, i've only bent about 400mm. I made the unit around 700mm, I didn't want it too long as I would have to bend past 90 degrees so the middle would bend properly (then bend the edges out) - I didn't want that.

Originally I made it so the top piece angle iron actually sat upside down which allowed it to be moved back or closer to the bending edge. But you'd had to clamp it down using G clamps. But that way you can make a few different sizes for whatever you needed to bend.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 12:36 PM

Thats awesome, might have to copy your idea.

One thing i would probably do personally is put a A type frame ontop of the top clamp section with a threaded adjuster in the middle like the big proper type ones, that will stop the top clamp section from flexing and give you some form of adjustment as it gets warped over the years.

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Like on the top of that.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 12:43 PM

Yeah thats a good idea Bomber. Definately room for improvement, my final version is actually version 1.3 as we did change it a couple of times.
But for $50 worth of material and a bit of scrap lying around, you can build as many as you want!

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 02:15 PM

That's pretty sweet, like you I've had the idea floating around in my head for quite some time to build one of these. After seeing this I might just do that... Awesome work

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 02:21 PM

That's pretty sweet, like you I've had the idea floating around in my head for quite some time to build one of these. After seeing this I might just do that... Awesome work


Me too. I've got a pair of those hinges I've been looking at for this. I might unbolt them off the old gate and the side off the shed....................one day.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 05:26 PM

I would also have suggested the "A-Frame" support. Mounted on a 45-degree angle would help both center clamping and the problem of the blade being forced backward. But if you only bend small lengths it probably won't matter. I'm sure in time you will find its limitations, perhaps modify it some more, but as it stands, it's a good, cheap bender.

Seems you've given a few of us ideas!

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:43 PM

I would also have suggested the "A-Frame" support. Mounted on a 45-degree angle would help both center clamping and the problem of the blade being forced backward. But if you only bend small lengths it probably won't matter. I'm sure in time you will find its limitations, perhaps modify it some more, but as it stands, it's a good, cheap bender.

Seems you've given a few of us ideas!


But surely a piece of 10 mm angle iron is not going to warp over a distance of 450 mm??

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 06:49 PM

You would be surprised.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:01 PM

Good job
I would have personally put handles on each end... but thats just me
And either way works

I just got my new 3mm benchtop finally... and have abit of spare room on the frame... might make one myself
The engineering company that bent it up (2400 wide) heated it to make the bends

Now I want to see you make an English wheel

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:07 PM

You would be surprised.

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That big one you posted, yes I could see that as needing bracing, seeing as it is a stretch of well over 1500mm. But 10 mm angle will not substantially flex over 450 mm. Not even if you were bending 2.5 mm.

From my experience anyway.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:24 PM

Says up there the unit is 700mm???

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 08:00 PM

I'm not trying to pick a fight mate I'm just saying, that's some heavy duty steel there, and it is already reinforced with the angle. I still wouldn't have an issue with bending up to 700 mm either.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 08:12 PM

Yes all in all i agree, it should not bend. and im not trying to start a shit fight either.

But stell is malleable, thats quiet a nice design so why not spend an extra half hour adding a bit of strengthening to it so instead of working for 100 bends it keeps working fine for 1000 bends???

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 08:18 PM

Just seems like a fair bit more engineering to a simple design for something that he won't probably ever have thicker guage materials through it. Just so I have an idea, how would you brace it using the A arms on his clamp piece? Would you cut a square hole in it running the box section through it to near the base of the clamp piece and then up through to the top with an adjustable nut and rod.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 08:36 PM

Na, just weld it to the top of the angle.

At this point anyway, i'll wait till i get around to stealing that idea and making one before i decide exactly how i would do it....im a bit like that, make everything up as i go along :tease:

So either untill then or untill someone else does it i'd say just weld to the top of the angel would be sufficient.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 08:40 PM

Good job
I would have personally put handles on each end... but thats just me
And either way works

I just got my new 3mm benchtop finally... and have abit of spare room on the frame... might make one myself
The engineering company that bent it up (2400 wide) heated it to make the bends

Now I want to see you make an English wheel



Yeah definitely some good arguments there guys. It's not too late for me to put handles on it - the A frame, to be honest I never thought of it. Great idea though.

I was going to incorporate a way so the top clamping piece could slide forward or backwards but I had to stop myself too much extra work and design that I didn't want to do, and honestly I won't be bending anything thicker than 1.6mm. I could of made the whole unit bigger also, but 700 mm was probably more than enough - better than using a hammer and the edge of a bench haha!

This does suit what I need, and as for the English wheel - hmm I had that idea. Although I'm not a sheet metal extraordinaire and wouldn't know how to use one anyone - not like i'm building hot rods!

Dad could help me though, compliments of GMH haha :bowdown:

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 11:39 PM

need to make a small set of rollers now

what size angle did you use i know its 10mm think ?????

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 10:16 PM

Um, 75 x 75 x 10mm (off the top of my head)

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