Can anyone ever come up with figures on how many LC GTR's where built and how many are left?
It seems for a model that was over shadowed by the xu-1 there's not many around or is it that the LC XU-1s on the road are actually LC GTR's.
I still think my theory of the position and number of mig welds along the firewall about the throttle linkage pivot is the way to sort real LC XU1s from the LC GTR's.
how many LC GTRs were built??
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i'm interested to know numbers as well !! & gtr161s i'd love to know your theory about spot/mig welds on the firewall for identification purposes 
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 07:34 PM
I will drag the GTR numbers out one of these years.
Looking at the fiche I will take a guess and say there were a lot more GTR's built than XU1's.
It took a very long time to do the XU1's ie had to find them out of a list of 40,000 odd cars, and that was only the LJ's
As for how many are left, no one will ever know but you can be certain that it will be less than half. I think a figure of around 20% would be close to the mark.
BUT
heres one for the books of the total number of HK327's that were built we can still account for about 60-70% of them.
Just like an arsehole everyone has one
Looking at the fiche I will take a guess and say there were a lot more GTR's built than XU1's.
It took a very long time to do the XU1's ie had to find them out of a list of 40,000 odd cars, and that was only the LJ's
As for how many are left, no one will ever know but you can be certain that it will be less than half. I think a figure of around 20% would be close to the mark.
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heres one for the books of the total number of HK327's that were built we can still account for about 60-70% of them.
Just like an arsehole everyone has one
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 07:48 PM
And another one for the books there's NO such thing as a " bathurst " monaro 327/350 !!!! as it was series production racing back then , just like the early torana's so you could buy it & race it straight away !!! 
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 07:49 PM
Ive got 2 LC GTRs, both optioned as Baroda silver black trim!
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 07:56 PM
The only Bathurst Monaro was the HT if you want to use the term loosely.
The Bathurst tag comes from the advertising campaign of the day, so people at the time started calling their cars " Bathurst Monaro's "
Holden used the term Bathurst in advertising after the HK's win in 68. Never was there a Bathurst Monaro model.
The Bathurst tag comes from the advertising campaign of the day, so people at the time started calling their cars " Bathurst Monaro's "
Holden used the term Bathurst in advertising after the HK's win in 68. Never was there a Bathurst Monaro model.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:55 PM
hg350 im in the monaro club here in s.a and i can assure you there arnt a lot of 327s here they must be all interstate if there are still 60-70% of them still left why are they double most prices of xu1s as theres not a lot of genuine xu1s left
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 09:13 PM
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Considering the fact that I am involved with the Monaro register and that I have access to some of the facts and figures I can assure you that my comments are very correct
And why do HK's sell for double the price ?
Well why do GT's sell for the price that they do ?
People are willing to pay for the most desirable model
Considering the fact that I am involved with the Monaro register and that I have access to some of the facts and figures I can assure you that my comments are very correct
And why do HK's sell for double the price ?
Well why do GT's sell for the price that they do ?
People are willing to pay for the most desirable model
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 09:36 PM
I should say pretty close to being correct, saying correct gives the impression we are 100% sure.
What I can say though is that from the numbers produced and using the register as a guide of survival and figuring that the regisiter will more than likely only have 50% of the survivers recorded, the figure I quoted above is highly possible.
What I can say though is that from the numbers produced and using the register as a guide of survival and figuring that the regisiter will more than likely only have 50% of the survivers recorded, the figure I quoted above is highly possible.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 10:03 PM
hg350 i wasnt saying your figures arent right just the fact that there arent a lot of hk 327s here hope i didnt upset you
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Posted 22 May 2006 - 08:31 AM
I admit that I miss read your post at first, thats why I came back and clarified a bit better. I couldnt edit my first post.
Just out of interest I personally have had 2 327's my friends can account for 15 327's none of which are members of clubs, and I know of a few more again that are not recorded or do I have the numbers for yet.
Bazza can tell you about another 327 sitting in a shed out at Coota somewhere that no one has the numbers for.
Its hard to figure out why they had such a high survival rate.
And I cant really figure out why they sell for so much more than a HG or a HT.
There were approx 950 327's made but only about 400 HG 350's, OK I am biased as we prefer HG's but wouldnt you think that seeing HG's are the rarest they should be the ones selling for the higher amount.
I can only assume that because the HK was the first to win Bathurst, its the model that most people want to be seen in, so thats why it sells for much more than the others, not due to there being less around.
Just out of interest I personally have had 2 327's my friends can account for 15 327's none of which are members of clubs, and I know of a few more again that are not recorded or do I have the numbers for yet.
Bazza can tell you about another 327 sitting in a shed out at Coota somewhere that no one has the numbers for.
Its hard to figure out why they had such a high survival rate.
And I cant really figure out why they sell for so much more than a HG or a HT.
There were approx 950 327's made but only about 400 HG 350's, OK I am biased as we prefer HG's but wouldnt you think that seeing HG's are the rarest they should be the ones selling for the higher amount.
I can only assume that because the HK was the first to win Bathurst, its the model that most people want to be seen in, so thats why it sells for much more than the others, not due to there being less around.
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Posted 22 May 2006 - 04:22 PM
My workmate has owned one(hk327)the 8o's & that is sitting in his garage slowly getting rebuilt,I should get the numbers off him for you to verify hg.His cousin also had one but completely pulled apart though he had everything for it got over 15 grand maybe more as it was six months ago.Both these people were not members of clubs so there might be a couple left.
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Posted 22 May 2006 - 07:36 PM
NUMBERS PLEASE
I DONT want names addresses phone numbers or locations, just need the following part or all of.
All tag numbers
Engine number if possible
and in the case of HK HT HG the firewall number
Thank you so much for your offer, every car we can get helps fill in another piece of the puzzle.Sadly we were never able to get the fiche for these models so every car helps.
I DONT want names addresses phone numbers or locations, just need the following part or all of.
All tag numbers
Engine number if possible
and in the case of HK HT HG the firewall number
Thank you so much for your offer, every car we can get helps fill in another piece of the puzzle.Sadly we were never able to get the fiche for these models so every car helps.
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Posted 24 May 2006 - 08:40 PM
HK was the best looking Monaro thats why they sell for more 
Shame really as I would kill for a 327 GTS silver mink with red interior (which a friend has one of..... at least)
I know of a few 327's here in Perth
I'll try to get some #'s for you if I can
Oh.....and I stumbled across this
LC GTR XU-1s were produced to August 1970.
200
LC GTR XU-1s (Bathurst Specials) produced around Aug 1971.
1,317
LJ GTR XU-1s produced Jan-July 1972.
200
LJ GTR XU-1s (Bathurst Specials) produced Augt - Sept 1972.
150
LJ GTR XU-1s (Bathurst Specials) produced by end of Aug 1973.
1,633
Total number of LC GTR XU-1s produced
1,667
Total number of LJ GTR XU-1s produced
3,300
Total of LC GTR XU-1s and LJ GTR XU-1s produced
Figures are approximate
Shame really as I would kill for a 327 GTS silver mink with red interior (which a friend has one of..... at least)
I know of a few 327's here in Perth
I'll try to get some #'s for you if I can
Oh.....and I stumbled across this
LC GTR XU-1s were produced to August 1970.
200
LC GTR XU-1s (Bathurst Specials) produced around Aug 1971.
1,317
LJ GTR XU-1s produced Jan-July 1972.
200
LJ GTR XU-1s (Bathurst Specials) produced Augt - Sept 1972.
150
LJ GTR XU-1s (Bathurst Specials) produced by end of Aug 1973.
1,633
Total number of LC GTR XU-1s produced
1,667
Total number of LJ GTR XU-1s produced
3,300
Total of LC GTR XU-1s and LJ GTR XU-1s produced
Figures are approximate
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Hey Datto
These are the exact numbers of what was built. Ben went through the fiche and counted them all up.
I'm glad he did it.
TOTAL LC GTR XU-1BUILD - 1397
ACACIA RIDGE - 767 ELIZABETH - 630
3100X BUILD - 1098
ACACIA RIDGE - 608 ELIZABETH - 490
CK BUILD - 299
ACACIA RIDGE - 159 ELIZABETH - 140
TOTAL LJ GTR XU-1BUILD - 2179
ACACIA RIDGE - 1164 ELIZABETH - 1015
1972 BUILD - 1393
ACACIA RIDGE - 725 ELIZABETH - 668
1973 BUILD - 786
ACACIA RIDGE - 439 ELIZABETH - 347
These are the exact numbers of what was built. Ben went through the fiche and counted them all up.
I'm glad he did it.
TOTAL LC GTR XU-1BUILD - 1397
ACACIA RIDGE - 767 ELIZABETH - 630
3100X BUILD - 1098
ACACIA RIDGE - 608 ELIZABETH - 490
CK BUILD - 299
ACACIA RIDGE - 159 ELIZABETH - 140
TOTAL LJ GTR XU-1BUILD - 2179
ACACIA RIDGE - 1164 ELIZABETH - 1015
1972 BUILD - 1393
ACACIA RIDGE - 725 ELIZABETH - 668
1973 BUILD - 786
ACACIA RIDGE - 439 ELIZABETH - 347
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 02:33 PM
Wow i didnt relise how little there where of them.
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Posted 27 May 2006 - 08:53 PM
I stubled across another silver mink 327GTS on Thurday
I've asked the guy for the tag #'s...... black interior
He just picked up a HG too but I think it was just a 307
Are those African HG's worth having ?........ I've got a lead on 3 (still in Zimbabwe) that need some work and might be able to be landed cheaply
I've asked the guy for the tag #'s...... black interior
He just picked up a HG too but I think it was just a 307
Are those African HG's worth having ?........ I've got a lead on 3 (still in Zimbabwe) that need some work and might be able to be landed cheaply
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HG350 will knowAre those African HG's worth having ?........ I've got a lead on 3 (still in Zimbabwe) that need some work and might be able to be landed cheaply
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 05:36 PM
Priced at $2,778, the GTR pack also consisted of full instrumentation, unique wheel covers, a wood-rimmed steering wheel and a range of bold colours. Just 1,176 LC GTRs were made and few survive today, making this one of the rarest and most collectible Torana variants.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 05:57 PM
Hi linalj
Don't believe everything you read. The 1176 figure is referring to XU-1s and even that is wrong.
By my careful count a few years ago, there were a total of 6610 LC GTRs built at the 4 plants producing GTRs.
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hey Baz, correct.
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....is that a record?....7 years between posts!! ?
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 06:26 PM
hey guys,
i am constantly amazed by the wealth of knowledge that this site has to offer, you guy know your shiet... gtr161s
"I still think my theory of the position and number of mig welds along the firewall about the throttle linkage pivot is the way to sort real LC XU1s from the LC GTR's"
could you elaborate futher please? cheers Red
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:33 PM
hey guys,
i am constantly amazed by the wealth of knowledge that this site has to offer, you guy know your shiet... gtr161s
"I still think my theory of the position and number of mig welds along the firewall about the throttle linkage pivot is the way to sort real LC XU1s from the LC GTR's"
could you elaborate futher please? cheers Red
Yeah, I'm also interested to hear the theory of the MIG welds.
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Red Assasin, on 05 May 2013 - 18:16, said:
hey guys,
i am constantly amazed by the wealth of knowledge that this site has to offer, you guy know your shiet... gtr161s
"I still think my theory of the position and number of mig welds along the firewall about the throttle linkage pivot is the way to sort real LC XU1s from the LC GTR's"
could you elaborate futher please? cheers Red
Yeah, I'm also interested to hear the theory of the MIG welds.
where the gtr triangler bracket gos there is on the lip above this 4 mig welds has GMH could not get the spot welder in there with that bracket on the firewall.
with the xu1 only having the round front throttle bracket it was easier to spotweld.
cheers gong
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