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#1 _injlc304_

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 12:43 PM

A lot of people seem to want information about Trimatics, modifications and shift kits.

I have put together some information that will help a few people at home to do a basic stage 2 style shift kit and some other improvements if they want to have a tinker themselves.
The information is primarily for the series 3 box through to series 6 as they are the majority, series 1 having a cable for kick down and series 2 being mostly for HQ, LH and the 173 LJ Torana.

The series 2 box codes are HP, HO, HT, HN and HM. Any other box codes starting with “H” will be a series 1 with cable kick down located just behind the filler tube.

To carry out these modifications you will need to remove the pan, filter, valve body, servo cover, reinforcement plate and finally the transfer plate.

There may be check balls above the transfer plate; there could be 2 balls in some models or 1 in most cases or none in a couple of models. They will have left witness marks on the plate from where they have been so there is no excuse for stuffing up their locations if they are present. Use a bit of petroleum jelly to help locate them when you re assemble the transmission.

In most of the late model Trimatic’s there was also a servo quick dump valve which is plastic; it clips into place in the transfer plate. If yours is broken then it will be very harsh on kick down or a part throttle down shift and you may find part of the valve in the servo cover when removed.


Firming Up The Shifts


To make the shifts firmer, the easiest way is to increase the oil supply to the clutch.
To affect the 1-2 shift quality all you need to do is increase the clutch feed at “A” indicated on the drawing as the 2nd Clutch. You don’t need to increase this hole by much to make it chirp into second, from factory it should be around 5/64, drilling it to 3/32 will make it a nice firm shift maybe with a chirp at full throttle depending on the transmission condition. Drilling to 7/64 will be a lot firmer again and if you just don’t care and want it hard, drill it to 5/32.

To get it any harder you will need to remove the accumulator and do other modifications that I’m not going to go into on here.

To affect the 2-3 shift quality then you need to increase the size of the feed at “B” indicated on the drawing as 3rd Clutch. I generally drill this hole to the same size as that on the gasket (5/32) which will be a very firm shift, for those with horsepower it will cause the tyres to spin easily into top gear.


Full Throttle Up Shifts.


When you kick the transmission down, detent pressure in the auto dictates when the transmission will change back up at full throttle, if your car changes up at say 4800 rpm at full throttle and that is not high enough for you. You can alter the detent pressure by changing a spring which may then alter it to change at 5500 rpm or if you can’t get the shift points high enough with the springs available then shimming can also be done but care must be taken.
Changing the detent pressure will only change full throttle upshifts and will not affect shifts at normal driving throttle openings. Valve and spring number 23 and 22 in the picture provided.


Detent Pressure Regulator Springs
Colour Spring Rate lb/in. Pressure
Pink 7.84 70 psi
No Colour 9.4 80 psi
Dark Green 9.4 85 psi
Orange 9.4 75 psi
Yellow 7.84 65 psi


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To remove the pins retaining the valves in the valve body, use a suitable sized pin punch and knock them out from the top of the valve body. Re-install them from the underneath side with the swaged end in last and tap home with a small hammer.


Fine Tuning.


When you want to get more in depth or start fine tuning your Trimatic then we can look at some other aspects such as:


Modulator valve and sleeve: There are several different modulator valves and sleeve combinations that also affect line pressure, at higher road speed the governor supplies pressure onto the modulator valve to help reduce modulator pressure and lower line pressure slightly to improve fuel economy. They are a matched pair and must be replaced as a matching pair. It can also stretch out your shifts slightly by going to a less reactive valve and sleeve.


Shift Control Valves: These valves can have slightly different diameters from model to model and can be interchanged to suit the power curve of your motor and diff ratio, it’s these little changes that can make a real difference as to how the car drives. These valves are also a matched pair with their sleeve and must also be changed together, you still use your original springs, only the valve and sleeves are altered.



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Shift Control Valve/Sleeve Identification
Shift Diameter "A" Diameter "B" Colour
1-2 0.6004" 0.4246" Orange
2-3 0.5402" 0.4246" No Colour
1-2 0.6004" 0.4996" Yellow
2-3 0.5602" 0.4246" Black
1-2 0.6152" 0.5214" Dark Green

I won’t go into altering the Accumulator control valve or changing springs as there are a few different ways to do it and really is something that you would only look at when you go to a full manual valve body and eliminate the accumulator completely. Commonly a steel servo piston would be used as well.


The high and low speed timing valves are also not altered unless there is a problem specific to their function like a slip or a clunk on a 3-2 coast downshift, harsh 3-2 part throttle downshift above 60 kph. Or flaring on the shift when the oil level is correct.

Raising the line pressure by changing the boost valve and sleeve to a 5.0 litre version and changing the regulator valve spring can only be done when the transmission is in pieces as the regulator and boost valves are located inside the oil pump body and they cannot be accessed like a THM400 or 700.


If your car shifts down at part throttle too easily without kicking it down or it does not part throttle at all and will not shift down unless kicked down then altering the 3-2 control valve spring is the cure(19 & 20 in the picture). A lighter spring increases the sensitivity and a heavier spring will reduce the sensitivity.


3-2 Control Spring Identification
Colour Spring Rate Pressure
Pink 2.4 lb/in. 60 psi.
Violet 3.4 lb/in. 67.5 psi.
Blue 3.4 lb/in. 75 psi.
Dark Green 5.1 lb/in. 82 psi.
Yellow 5.1 lb/in. 90 psi.
Light Green 5.1 lb/in. 93 psi.
Orange 5.1 lb/in. 97.5 psi.
Red 5.1 lb/in. 105 psi.


Valve Body.jpg

Hope someone can get something out of this.


I just copied that from another forum. Could someone please help me. apparently my trimatic has a "shift kit" in it (was told this when I bought my car) It doest change gears hard at all. Actually its quiet poo. doest chirp gears.

To do this all I have to do is drill out the 2nd and 3rd clutch holes I’ve circles in yellow?

What is the 3rd clutch hole circled in red??

So its as simple as drilling 2 holes and I’ve got myself a “shift kit”?? also what hole size would you recommend? I know there is 3 different hole sizes noted but what is the best?


Thanks heaps



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Edited by injlc304, 20 December 2011 - 12:42 PM.


#2 _Gunmetal LH_

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:48 PM

Pics won't load...

If it's what I think it is, then opening the 2 holes just a touch will give a firmer shift.


Have seen this done too much and the shifts were VERY hard!

Be warned- Trans didn't last even a week behind a near-stock 308 in a HZ.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:59 PM

I've done this a couple of times and it works a treat - but as Gunmetal says, DON'T go any bigger than these sizes:
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 09:08 PM

Sweet thanks fella. Yeah it's just the two holes you have to drill.

It says to drill out to 5/64 or 7/64 or max of 5/32 for 1st -2nd shift(5/32 apparently harsh shift) and Only 5/32 for 2nd to 3rd

I was thinking 7/64 for 1-2 and 5/32 for 2-3.

In the Photo above it has says 3/16 which is bigger again? What size should I do? I don't want it to rip the ass out of my car but I want it to go into gear fast when I tell it to

Also you say the trans didn't last with a stock 308? What went wrong? Isn't this the same as a "shift kit" you buy so why would it stuff the trans?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:28 AM

I haven't had any problems with 3/16" for both, but I definitely wouldn't go any bigger than that. If I recall correctly I probably would have only done this mod on later model trans, i.e. VK-VL Commodore ones (I like the later ones for transplant into earlier vehicles) and I haven't done this without a rebuild at the same time, i.e. new clutches etc. Also my experience would apply to heavier vehicles than Toranas so 5/32 sounds like a good compromise for something lighter (5/64 and 7/64 are much smaller, those measurements don't make sense?)

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:03 AM

apparently factory hole sizes are 5/64= 1.98mm . then it says to drill to either 3/32 = 2.38mm for a firm shift, 7/64 = 2.78mm for a firmer again shift or if you dont care 5/32 =3.96mm (for 1st - 2nd shift) but then i've seen the one supplied above which says drill to 3/16 =4.76mm which sounds pretty big compared to original size.

im thinking i might do 1/8 = 3.17mm as its between the "firmer and rip its butt out" sizing. how hard is it to rebuild a trimatic?

if i drill the holes out and not flog its guts will it survive? as far as i know the box isn't too old.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 12:22 PM

Thanks for the info. This will be very handy, as I'm sure I'll be wanting to alter some of these settings at some stage.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 12:45 PM

Thanks for the info. This will be very handy, as I'm sure I'll be wanting to alter some of these settings at some stage.


no worries chops.

did the pictures work for you?

maybe make it a sticky also?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:14 PM

injlc304: "Also you say the trans didn't last with a stock 308? What went wrong? Isn't this the same as a "shift kit" you buy so why would it stuff the trans?"

The bloke only drilled the holes, no other mods to shift control valves etc.


Sounded like he was 'dropping the clutch' even at car-park speeds.

I don't know what he drilled them to? He just described them as "Heaps bigger..." He drew a dot on a piece of paper that looked like 6mm.

He didn't open the trans to look at the damage either. When I said "Why not?" He replied "Whatever happened, it wouldn't be fixable. Sounded like a bomb going off then a big tin of marbles."


I myself once shifted my trimatic at full noise from first into reverse! (Dodgy B&M megashifter :furious: ) MASSIVE thump and the engine stopped. Engine is OK, the trans lost reverse but still no probs with foreward gears.

Whatever happened to his trans was too bad to bother looking at...

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:24 PM

oh ok thanks peter. i was just going to drill the holes out and thats it. im thinking i might just go to 1/8 or 3.17mm from the factory 5/64 or 1.98mm and hopefully this wont be too harsh on anything but still be better then what i have now. i dont want mine to 'drop the clutch' every gear change so hopefully its not too big of a hole.

one way to find out i guess.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:48 PM

Have you thought about converters?

Another mate put a hi-stall in his VK and loves it! Still cruises nice and 'tightens up' when flooring it. Stall was 3500-4000, can't remember exactly?


There's a mod to do with gemini converters but I can't remember what it does? Maybe someone else might know?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:57 PM

yeah ive got a 2800 stall in it but it doesn't really change gears hard that's all. it doesnt even chip gears at full throttle or anything?? thats why i though something small like this might help that little bit..

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:15 PM

no worries chops.

did the pictures work for you?

maybe make it a sticky also?


I'm not registered at AussieV8, so I couldn't see the pics. I'd probably make it a sticky, but I don't have the authority to do that. Mind you, I have been offered that authority a couple of times.

Re: the gemini converter. I put one in my HZ that had a "close to XU-1 spec" 202 in it. The converter went bang after 8 minutes of street driving.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:02 PM

Hmmm, don't bother with the gemini converter...


Have you tried manually changing gears?

My VB would change smoothly, almost slowly in 'D' but if I manually shifted it I could get it to chirp into second no worries even when not at full throttle.

Lame 253, trimatic, 3.08 diff, 205/65r15 tyres on the rear... My V6 VN would blow it's doors off...

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:43 PM

how hard is it to rebuild a trimatic?

Not hard, but you will need a couple of specialist tools, a manual and some patience. One of the easiest auto transmissions to work on.

if i drill the holes out and not flog its guts will it survive?

If you go too big it won't survive well regardless of how you drive it - too big means that it doesn't have time to properly disengage the clutches for the previous gear before engaging the next and as you can imagine this simply leads it to tearing itself apart. One way of describing the act of the fluid moving from one side of the plate to the other is as a timed event, the size of the hole obviously affecting the length of time.

If you have the patience to try one size up at a time it would be nice to try it, but that is a lot of hassle and new gaskets and fluid each time. If I recall correctly not all versions have the same size holes from factory, so perhaps the size of the original holes in the trans you are looking at would give a guide as to how far you should go?

He just described them as "Heaps bigger..." He drew a dot on a piece of paper that looked like 6mm.

That'd kill it all right!

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:30 PM

Sorry chops I thought you were an administrator.

I don't really have the patience to go one size at a time. Think I'm gonna Leave it for a few weeks to research a bit more then go from there.

Also I'll re write it and add in the photos properly and see if it works. Maybe have a chat to see if we can get it pinned?
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:17 AM

yeah ive got a 2800 stall in it but it doesn't really change gears hard that's all. it doesnt even chip gears at full throttle or anything?? thats why i though something small like this might help that little bit..

your 2800 is ive found a waste of time if its the green or blue one.a change to a 9.5 inch 3000 eliminator will be what youll want to try.costs just under a g but money well spent.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 11:19 AM

na mines a 10" Allfast red in colour. was in the car when i bought it. i'm gonna go in and see the guys at allfast converters after new years and see what they can do to upgrade it

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Posted 03 April 2015 - 07:43 AM

sorry for dragging back a old thread but i was just looking at the pics,i am about to drill a tansfer plate from a "LP" box from a est VK, i have another plate here that was drilled by a transmission shop from a box out of a 202 VC, the shop has drilled out 4 holes, one of the holes is the same as the hole indicated in the above image, another hole in the above image on the right side image that is larger is not drilled out on my other plate. I just want to be sure before i start driling away as ive noticed a few differences between the earlier commodore and the VK, there is one valve mising out of the VK "LP" valve body and there is a loose rivet thing on the VK transfer plate, maybe its supposed o work like a 1 way valve, reaso im changing lates is becuase i figure the VK valve body would be better and all the parts ive pulled out of the VK box look better condition. also this may sound dumb but in the pic there is one hole indiated but they are talking about  holes, what am i missing?



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 12:51 AM

I think your referring to the second hole that's been opened up.  There is another scriber pointing to it on the left side of the picture.






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