hi any one got any recomendations on a good quality 2k iso free hi build primer
just wondering if any one has used any brands or can recomend one
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iso free hi build primer
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 08:16 PM
your best off staying with one brand all the way through the painting process
in saying that i know some to avoid eg hi-chem/motorspray....etc etc
every one has a different preferred brand.....but ppg/protec spies hecker and duluix are three good ones that spring to mind
in saying that i know some to avoid eg hi-chem/motorspray....etc etc
every one has a different preferred brand.....but ppg/protec spies hecker and duluix are three good ones that spring to mind
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 10:29 PM
only problem is that only certain brands make iso free primer
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 06:39 PM
I've never tried using the stuff, but if the iso free top coats are anything to go by its probably crap.
If your this worried about iso's then why not just do it in acrylic laquer with 1k primers??
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If your this worried about iso's then why not just do it in acrylic laquer with 1k primers??
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:30 PM
do you want in high fill or epoxy primer
640r is a dupont epoxy primer is one of the best on the market atm
like what was stated above stay with one product all the way thru as soon as you use a different product (reducer,clear,hardner and so on you void the warranty and have no leg to stand on)in saying this i know of a shop that does this and use's cheap clear on there resto work and one day its going to bite them in arse
640r is a dupont epoxy primer is one of the best on the market atm
like what was stated above stay with one product all the way thru as soon as you use a different product (reducer,clear,hardner and so on you void the warranty and have no leg to stand on)in saying this i know of a shop that does this and use's cheap clear on there resto work and one day its going to bite them in arse
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:38 PM
the iso free 2k primer should give you a lot better base to start with so i have been told
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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:36 PM
dupoint or spartan are the duliux automotive arm....if memory serves me right....do you want in high fill or epoxy primer
640r is a dupont epoxy primer is one of the best on the market atm
like what was stated above stay with one product all the way thru as soon as you use a different product (reducer,clear,hardner and so on you void the warranty and have no leg to stand on)in saying this i know of a shop that does this and use's cheap clear on there resto work and one day its going to bite them in arse
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:28 PM
brands i have found so far are concept , lacnam , protec , and hi chem not sure which is the better one there all 5 litre kits
except for protec which is a 6 litre kit there all 4 to 1 mix except for the protec its 2 to 1 mix ..... the only thing i have noticed
with these 2k primers is if you dont top coat them with in 48 to 72 hours you have to sand them and recoat them again before top coating them because they go to hard
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except for protec which is a 6 litre kit there all 4 to 1 mix except for the protec its 2 to 1 mix ..... the only thing i have noticed
with these 2k primers is if you dont top coat them with in 48 to 72 hours you have to sand them and recoat them again before top coating them because they go to hard
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 02:20 AM
steer clear of hichem....it's rebadged motospray crap
protec is ppg's budget brand ....
ppg sprays up noice
protec is ppg's budget brand ....
ppg sprays up noice
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:59 AM
yeah i was thinking along those lines the only problem with protec is if you leave it more tan 48 hrs you have to reprime again before top coating bit of a pain if your doing repairs and so on is this normal practice with 2k primers. the epotec 408 is the same
the lacnam brand sounds ok as well and wattyl make one as well the thing is that all of these iso free products are made for industrial and marine application so they can be sprayed without a booth and outside so i have been informed so they should be
good to use on cars ..as you know,, you wont get hasrsher conditions than marine ,,,,.the protec one is also a mix of 2ltr of primer to 1ltr of hardner.seems a lot of hardner
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the lacnam brand sounds ok as well and wattyl make one as well the thing is that all of these iso free products are made for industrial and marine application so they can be sprayed without a booth and outside so i have been informed so they should be
good to use on cars ..as you know,, you wont get hasrsher conditions than marine ,,,,.the protec one is also a mix of 2ltr of primer to 1ltr of hardner.seems a lot of hardner
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 01:17 PM
Used Iso free many years ago it's crap that's why it's not commonly available and it's why the it's not used by repairers. Quagmire Spart was a Wattyl product which was always re breanded Sikkens which is what I started my trade on, and it's also the Iso free primer and top coat we trialed. Both are rubbish and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. Just spend $100 on a decent resperator (3m or Sundstom) and a disposable suit and use real 2K
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:21 PM
Yes the 48 hours thing is normal.
There are ways around it, or you can stretch it to weeks if you wish with no real ill effects (from my experience).
I like Ryans advice on using the proper stuff, whats the product # for the Protec iso free stuff?? I'll do some digging around and see what the concensus is.
Cheers.
There are ways around it, or you can stretch it to weeks if you wish with no real ill effects (from my experience).
I like Ryans advice on using the proper stuff, whats the product # for the Protec iso free stuff?? I'll do some digging around and see what the concensus is.
Cheers.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 08:06 PM
dupoint or spartan are the duliux automotive arm....if memory serves me right....
wrong there mate ,dupont,spies hecker and standox are all made in the same manufacture plant in riverstone nsw and has nothing to dulux
dulux is now ppg (just re named and a different label )
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:40 PM
bomber the protec hi build is called 466 parabuild icf comes 1n 4 litres with 2 litres of hardner and so on
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:41 AM
I agree with the 48hrs but in my experience it's only a massive issue on cheaper 2k primers and epoxys.
When I did my LC I did it in Sikkens Colur build which cost me near $700 I left it 2yrs and it rubbed the same as a job that had been left over night.
Get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com....=item43a55a431e
and these:
http://www.ebay.com....=item27c7a047e4
When I did my LC I did it in Sikkens Colur build which cost me near $700 I left it 2yrs and it rubbed the same as a job that had been left over night.
Get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com....=item43a55a431e
and these:
http://www.ebay.com....=item27c7a047e4
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 05:46 PM
Ah 466, thats an old school product.
Have some in the cubboard at work actually, Only used it a few times but it seemed alright for an iso free urethane.
Cheers.
Have some in the cubboard at work actually, Only used it a few times but it seemed alright for an iso free urethane.
Cheers.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:05 PM
have found some epoxy hi build primer made by ppg its call epoxy primer 940 any one heard of it or used it
its an 8 ltr kit as well so that might be alright i would guess you could apply it straight over bare metal and bog over it as well would save useing 2 different primers an epoxy then a hi build
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its an 8 ltr kit as well so that might be alright i would guess you could apply it straight over bare metal and bog over it as well would save useing 2 different primers an epoxy then a hi build
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:10 PM
Epoxy's tend not to build as well as a urethane or a polyester high build, they stay wet way longer meaning you cant just pile the frOck out of it, you will be going going going then on the fourth or so caot it will all run off the pannel lol.
Cheers.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:58 PM
was talking today with a fella from a leading paint company been in the game over 40 yrs as a spray painter and he claims that normal 2k is not that bad for you.. that the iso free stuff is far worse because the hardner is acid based far worse than isocyanide .
he told me that epoxy primer is isocyanide free and it is the the worst of the three he said the most dangerous part is cleaning up the gun as you absorb the iso through the skin and under your finger nails its attracted to moisture eyes mouth and so on , he said just wear a good charcoal filter mask and always put in an air tight container to stop it deteriorating and you should get 48 hrs out of the filters of actual spraying time,he said most panel shops spray painters just use the half masks and said that all the primers are not sprayed in a booth just the top coats he reckons bog dust is the worst thing in the world to breath in because your body can not get rid of it nay thoughts on this
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he told me that epoxy primer is isocyanide free and it is the the worst of the three he said the most dangerous part is cleaning up the gun as you absorb the iso through the skin and under your finger nails its attracted to moisture eyes mouth and so on , he said just wear a good charcoal filter mask and always put in an air tight container to stop it deteriorating and you should get 48 hrs out of the filters of actual spraying time,he said most panel shops spray painters just use the half masks and said that all the primers are not sprayed in a booth just the top coats he reckons bog dust is the worst thing in the world to breath in because your body can not get rid of it nay thoughts on this
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 05:25 PM
Yep thats the other reason it's not commonly used because it's worse than normal 2k. The other problem with using epoxy as a highbuld is it takes to long to cure. My boss last week used some PPG fleetline epoxy as a filler and took 3 days to go hard enough to rub. You could rub it sooner but it's like rubbing cheese.
The half mask he's talking about will be similar to the one I linked you to on Ebay they have the right filters for 2k and it's what I used for 10yrs.
The half mask he's talking about will be similar to the one I linked you to on Ebay they have the right filters for 2k and it's what I used for 10yrs.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:20 PM
was talking to the guys at protec head office and they said that what the other fella said about the iso free products was a load of
bull that governments use the iso free products because they are a lot safer and there is no acid base in them you still have to wear a good half face mask like was suggested by ryan he reckons the epoxy primers are all iso free as well and fairly safe to use plenty of different theorys out there that is for sure
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bull that governments use the iso free products because they are a lot safer and there is no acid base in them you still have to wear a good half face mask like was suggested by ryan he reckons the epoxy primers are all iso free as well and fairly safe to use plenty of different theorys out there that is for sure
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